Download Sicko, the new movie by Michael Moore
"the first major feature-length film by a noted director to debut for free via the Internet. No theatrical release, no DVD release (at first), no TV airing, and not a streaming video (like on YouTube) -- just a completely free, download-it-and-you-own-it first-run movie."The movie, which will end up costing Moore about $1 million out of pocket, follows him on a 62-city tour in 2004 trying to convince young people to vote. It's like a concert movie without the music. Why does anyone actually want to see it? His last two efforts, Sicko and Fahrenheit 9/11 are two of the three highest grossing documentaries in history, having made $24 million and $119 million, respectively. Sure, Moore has become one of the most hated men in America, at least among conservative Republicans, but if you're a young slacker, maybe this bud's for you.
COMING HERE SOON
Thursday, September 4th, 2008
MICHAEL MOORE'S NEW FILM TO BE OFFERED FREE ON INTERNET "AS A GIFT TO FANS"
For Immediate Release
FIRST EVER MAJOR FEATURE-LENGTH FILM TO BE RELEASED FOR FREE ON INTERNET
"SLACKER UPRISING" LOOKS AT YOUTH REVOLT IN 2004 ELECTION AS A SIGN OF WHAT WAS AHEAD IN 2008
FILM WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THREE WEEKS AS A FREE DOWNLOAD BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 23
TRAVERSE CITY, MI (Sept. 4, 2008) -- After 20 years of making groundbreaking films and setting box office records -- from "Roger & Me" to "Bowling for Columbine" to "Sicko" -- Oscar-winning filmmaker Michael Moore has decided to thank his many fans by giving them a download of his newest film, "Slacker Uprising," for free.
This will be the first major feature-length film by a noted director to debut for free via the Internet. No theatrical release, no DVD release (at first), no TV airing, and not a streaming video (like on YouTube) -- just a completely free, download-it-and-you-own-it first-run movie.
"Slacker Uprising" traces Michael Moore’s 62-city tour of the swing states during the 2004 Presidential election and records the thrilling -- and frightening -- response he received across the country.
The 97-minute film will be available for a pristine, high-resolution, free download to any North American resident beginning on September 23. Anyone who wishes to sign up for the free download in advance may do so as of today by going to the website SlackerUprising.com and ordering it for free.
Moore, who has made three of the five top-grossing documentaries of all time (including the #1 grossing doc, "Fahrenheit 9/11"), said he is doing this giveaway for personal reasons. "I realized that in a few months it will be the 20th anniversary of my first film, 'Roger & Me'," he said. "I've been very blessed and fortunate to have so many people come to my movies over these two decades, I decided the way to say thanks was to make one that the fans can have for free, as a show of my profound appreciation of their support."
The free download is being organized and distributed by Robert Greenwald's Brave New Films.
Neither Moore nor Brave New Films will make any money from the film, which had a budget of over $2 million. The film was funded by Harvey and Bob Weinstein, along with funding from Moore himself. "This is being done entirely as a gift to my fans," said Moore. "The only return any of us are hoping for is the largest turnout of young voters ever at the polls in November. I think 'Slacker Uprising' will inspire million to get off the couch and give voting a chance."
Moore says he hopes local groups, individuals, or candidates themselves will take the movie and show it in community centers, local theaters, union halls, churches -- "or wherever," says Moore. "I want people to be creative and show this everywhere, from their living rooms to their college campuses to their local cinemas. They have my blanket permission to do so. And if a candidate or a group wants to use it as a fundraiser, go right ahead!"
Moore and Greenwald plan to premiere the film the night before the free download on September 22 at "a theater full of slackers" in New York.
They are also planning a "Night of a Thousand House Parties" on Sunday, October 4, where the public will hold neighborhood screenings of "Slacker Uprising" and Moore will then speak live at the end of the film via satellite.
The free download will be available for three weeks and on September 23, a low-cost DVD of "Slacker Uprising" with bonus features will be available for purchase on the SlackerUprising.com website for individuals whom wish to have a packaged copy of the film. On October 7, the packaged dvd will be available at retail stores, through Amazon and on Netflix. "Again," says Greenwald, "the price is being kept low as none of us want to see any profit from this."
Moore's goal four years ago (when "Slacker Uprising" was filmed), was to convince millions of non-voting "slackers" -- mostly between the ages of 18-29 -- to give voting a try. Starting out in Elk Rapids, Michigan, in front of an audience of 400, the tour caught on like wildfire with up to 16,000 slackers each night coming to see Moore and his traveling band of speakers, comedians, and musicians.
To encourage the slackers to show up, they were offered a clean change of underwear, free Ramen noodles, and a promise that no event would start before noon and no politician would be allowed to speak. These enticements filled basketball arenas and football stadiums every night on the "Slacker Uprising Tour."
Part concert tour, part stand-up comedy performance and part rock concert, "Slacker Uprising" is an uplifting and patriotic look at the birth of a new political generation in America -- a generation of young people who would signal the eventual era of "Obamania" that would take place just four years later.
Along with Moore's appearance, "Slacker Uprising" features live performances or appearances by Eddie Vedder (of Pearl Jam), Roseanne Barr, Joan Baez, Tom Morello (of Rage Against the Machine), R.E.M., Steve Earle, and Viggo Mortensen.
The tour had its share of controversy. It was banned from a number of campuses like George Mason University in Virginia. Other colleges, like University of Nevada-Reno were offered large donations by local Republicans if they would cancel Moore's appearance. Many were threatened with violence and boycotts if Moore and friends stepped foot on campus. The Republican Party in Michigan asked prosecutors to arrest Moore for offering the clean underwear and quick-cook noodles as a "bribe" to get young people to vote.
In the end, young people set an all-time record for voter turnout -- and they were the only age group that John Kerry won.
"In the interest of fair warning, people who are not fans of mine will not like this movie," Moore states cautiously. "This movie has way too much of me in it, and way too many tens of thousands of people liking what I'm saying. If you're a McCain fan, this film should probably be rated X." (The film is unrated, but has no sex, violence or excessive bad language, other than a few epithets hurled at Moore.)
To view a trailer and a scene from "Slacker Uprising," go to SlackerUprising.com. =================================================
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TOP NEWS just in... 17 June 2007 www.WeAreChange.org
Michael Moore = 911 = INSIDE JOB
Academy Award winner Michael Moore answered questions on 9/11 truth during a sneak peak of his new documentary, SICKO, in New York. Moore brought up his lingering questions on 9/11, which are a clear departure from the 'government negligence' picture he painted in his film Fahrenheit 9/11, released some three years ago. Moore told reporters, "I've had a number of firefighters tell me over the years and since Fahrenheit 9/11 that they heard these explosions -- that they believe there's MUCH more to the story than we've been told. I don't think the official investigations have told us the complete truth-- they haven't even told us half the truth." "I've filmed there before down at the Pentagon-- before 9/11-- there's got to be at least 100 cameras, ringing that building, in the trees, everywhere. They've got that plane coming in with 100 angles. How come with haven't seen the straight-- I'm not talking about stop-action photos, I'm talking about the video. I want to see the video; I want to see 100 videos that exist of this," Moore said. "Why don't they want us to see that plane coming into the building? Because, if you know anything about flying a plane, when you're going 500 miles per hour, if you're off by that much, you're in the river. So, they hit a building that's only 5 stories high...[unclear] that expertly. I believe that there will be answers in that video tape and we should demand that that tape is released." Michael Moore was not vague or bashful in discussing 9/11 truth-- rather, he demanded a "new investigation before we get too far away from this-- to find out the whole truth." .. "And I intend, in my own way, to find some answers," Moore added. "Thank you for doing whatever you're doing."
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 Promotional poster for SiCKO | |
|---|---|
| Directed by | Michael Moore |
| Produced by | Michael Moore |
| Written by | Michael Moore |
| Distributed by | The Weinstein Company Lions Gate |
| Release date(s) |  / June 29, 2007 |
| Language | English |
| IMDb profile | |
Sicko (sometimes rendered as SiCKO) is the title of a documentary film by Michael Moore, scheduled for release on June 29, 2007.[1] It will investigate health care with a focus on large American pharmaceutical companies and of corruption in the Food and Drug Administration.
Via his blog, Moore requested "Health Care Horror Stories" from the public in an effort to share his view on the health care industry.[2]
When asked about this movie, Michael Moore said, "If people ask, we tell them 'Sicko' is a comedy about 45 million people with no health care in the richest country on Earth." On April 19, 2007, Moore announced on his website that Sicko had been selected for the 2007 Cannes Film Festival where it had its world premiere on May 19, 2007. Moore also announced a June 29, 2007 release date for the U.S. and Canada.
Plot
Michael Moore accompanies a number of rescue workers injured after the World Trade Center attacks of 2001 to the U.S. Guantanamo Bay detainment camp (an American territory) to ask for health care for the 9/11 responders. When unable to receive care there, they move on to Havana, Cuba, so that they can receive medical treatment they would otherwise not be able to afford.[3] Although trip participants signed confidentiality agreements prohibiting them from talking about the trip, some thought the trip a success, with The New York Post quoting John Feal, head of the Fealgood Foundation which raises money for 9/11 first responders, that “From what I hear through the grapevine those people who went [to Cuba with Moore] are utterly happy."[4] In an interview with Time Magazine, Moore states "I’m not trumpeting Castro or his regime. I just want to say to fellow Americans, "C’mon, we’re the United States! If they can [provide care for all] we can do it."[5]
The film includes what Moore hopes is an example of generosity of spirit. When the director found out that the Web site moorewatch.com would have to close because webmaster Jim Kenefick needed money to pay his sick wife's medical bills, he sent an anonymous check for US$12,000.[6]The film also covers Moore's travels to Canada, France and the United Kingdom, investigating their health care systems and comparing them to those provided in the United States.
Reception
The documentary has received positive reviews: following early viewings at the Cannes Film Festival, Variety described Sicko "an affecting and entertaining dissection of the American health care industry,"[7] concluding it should play well internationally.
British film magazine Empire commented that "Sicko is the film that truly reveals Moore as an auteur."[8] Fox News called Sicko "brilliant and uplifting" with Moore showing a heightened "maturity" in a film that "never talks down or baits the audience." [9]
On May 19, 2007 more than 2,000 people applauded loudly after the film's first Cannes screening at the packed Grand Theatre Lumiere, the main festival auditorium.[10]
Moore was quoted as saying: "I know the storm awaits me back in the United States."
Not all audience members were pleased. Some Canadian critics did not like Michael Moore's glamorizing the Canadian health care system.[11] However, other Canadian commentators like Thomas Walkom of the Toronto Star noted that Moore produced the film for an American audience to critique its dominant health system, one that most Canadians are opposed to replacing their system with. [12]
The North American premiere of 'Sicko' was held in London, Ontario at the Silver City movie theatre at Masonville Place on Friday, June 8, 2007 at 7:00PM (Eastern), with Moore himself in attendance. 'Sicko' features patients from the London, Ontario area.
Treasury Department probe
In a May 2, 2007 letter, the Office of Foreign Assets Control informed Moore that he was the subject of a civil investigation stemming from the filmmaker's March trip to Cuba. In the letter to Moore, a Treasury official noted that the department had no record of Moore obtaining a license that authorized him to "engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba," alleging that Moore violated the United States embargo against Cuba.[13][14]
A duplicate master copy of the film is being held outside the U.S. in case American authorities attempt to seize the film as part of the criminal investigation against Moore that arose from taking American 9/11 rescue workers to Cuba for medical treatment. While Moore has not officially announced where the other negative is being held, Fox News claims that it is located in France.[9][15]
References
- ^ An Update from Michael Moore (and an invitation to his film festival). www.michaelmoore.com. Retrieved on 2006-09-05.
- ^ Moore, Michael (February 3rd 2006). "Send Me Your Health Care Horror Stories... an appeal from Michael Moore". michaelmoore.com.
- ^ "Moore unveils Sicko at Cannes", InTheNews.co.uk, 2007-05-14. Retrieved on 2007-05-23.
- ^ "Controversial Michael Moore Flick "Sicko" Will Compare U.S. Health Care with Cuba's", pnhp.org, 2007-04-25. Retrieved on 2007-05-24.
- ^ "Moore in The E.R.", pnhp.org, 2007-05-17. Retrieved on 2007-05-24.
- ^ Sciretta, Peter. "Michael Moore Helps His Biggest Nemesis", Slash Film, 2007-05-18. Retrieved on 2007-05-24.
- ^ Alissa Simon. Review: Sicko. Variety. Reed. Retrieved on 2007-05-19.
- ^ No Country For Old Men and Sicko. Empire. Retrieved on 2007-05-19.
- ^ a b Roger Friedman. "Sicko" Shows Michael Moore's Maturity as a Filmmaker. Fox News. Fox. Retrieved on 2007-05-21.
- ^ Michael Moore's Sicko gets audience thumbs-up at Cannes. CBC Arts. CBC. Retrieved on 2007-05-21.
- ^ Canadian media needle Sicko. The Toronto Star. Retrieved on 2007-05-24.
- ^ Error on call to Template:cite web: Parameters url and title must be specified. The Toronto Star. Retrieved on 2007-06-09.
- ^ Uncle Sam Probes Michael Moore (Treasury Department investigating director's unauthorized Cuba trip). thesmokinggun.com. Retrieved on 2007-05-11.
- ^ Michael Moore In Trouble For Cuba Trip (Treasury Investigation; Moore Took Sept. 11 Workers To Banned Island For Treatment). www.michaelmoore.com. Retrieved on 2007-05-14.
- ^ "Sicko" is Completed and We're Off to Cannes!. www.michaelmoore.com. Michael Moore. Retrieved on 2007-05-19.
External links
- Sicko Official movie website, including trailer
- Sicko trailer at YouTube
- Sicko trivia at The Starry Messenger
- Sicko at the Internet Movie Database
- The Independent - Sicko? The truth about the US healthcare system 04/06/07
The Kaiser Papers A Public Service Web Sitebusinesspractices.kaiserpapers.info
Link for Translation of this Kaiser Papers page from Google Translation Service
KAISERGATE
The following is how the HMO's actually got off the ground and it was never for your own good. We believe that the American public has been mislead. Please follow the following two web links to learn more about what took place between President Nixon, John Erlichman and how Edgar Kaiser played a role in the creation of the HMO.
Presented at the Miller Center of Public Affairs - University of Virginia - White House Tapes.org
http://www.whitehousetapes.org/pages/listen_tapes_rmn.htm
Mirrored here at: http://businesspractices.kaiserpapers.info/media/nixononkaiser.wav
The transcription has been mirrored on this site because of its relevance to Kaiser Permanente being a for-profit corporation which is contrary to what they have publicly claimed to the rest of the world. We cannot imagine what further proof anyone in this world would need to have presented that Kaiser is a for-profit corporation.
We also believe that listening to this tape will more clearly explain how Kaiser has manipulated our government and the public into believing an untruth. It appears that President Nixon knowing full well that Kaiser was not being honest with their presentation of the HMO thought he was using this to his advantage. Unfortunately it has taken decades for this to become public knowledge which is a shame. President Nixon knew from the time of this conversation that Kaiser was for-profit and he also knew that they are able to profit because -- "All the incentives are toward less medical care, because—the less care they give them, the more money they make." - Mr. Erlichman quoting Edgar Kaiser to President Nixon on February 17, 1971
Other references in the Nixon tapes to Edgar Kaiser are:
Converstion 705
RC. 2028-1
April 10, 1972 - Oval Office
Conversation 706
RC. 2034-1
April 11, 1972 - Oval Office
There is also a Kaiser reference that I do not know if it relates to Edgar or another unrelated Kaiser
Conversation 663
RC. 1762
February 1, 1972
The following transcription is mirrored here from the University of Virginia because of the interest to The Justice Department the Internal Revenue Service and the American public. Again I refer everyone to: http://www.whitehousetapes.org/pages/listen_tapes_rmn.htm
for the clearest possible presentation.
February 17, 1971
5:26 pm - 5:53 pm
Oval Office
Conversation 450-23
John D. Ehrlichman: On the—on the health business—
President Nixon: Yeah.
Ehrlichman: —we have now narrowed down the vice president's problems on this thing to one issue and that is whether we should include these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser's Permanente thing. The vice president just cannot see it. We tried 15 ways from Friday to explain it to him and then help him to understand it. He finally says, “Well, I don't think they'll work, but if the president thinks it's a good idea, I'll support him a hundred percent.”
President Nixon: Well, what's—what's the judgment?
Ehrlichman: Well, everybody else's judgment very strongly is that we go with it.
President Nixon: All right.
Ehrlichman: And, uh, uh, he's the one holdout that we have in the whole office.
President Nixon: Say that I—I—I'd tell him I have doubts about it, but I think that it's, uh, now let me ask you, now you give me your judgment. You know I'm not to keen on any of these damn medical programs.
Ehrlichman: This, uh, let me, let me tell you how I am—
President Nixon: [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: This—this is a—
President Nixon: I don't [unclear]—
Ehrlichman: —private enterprise one.
President Nixon: Well, that appeals to me.
Ehrlichman: Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. And the reason that he can—the reason he can do it—I had Edgar Kaiser come in—talk to me about this and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because—
President Nixon: [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: —the less care they give them, the more money they make.
President Nixon: Fine. [Unclear.]
Ehrlichman: [Unclear] and the incentives run the right way.
President Nixon: Not bad.
Tape at:
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Why is Michael Moore silent about 9/11?
Could it have something to do with his 'agent' ?
following comes from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Emanuel
Ariel "Ari" Emanuel is a prominent talent agent and founder of the Endeavor Agency in Beverly Hills, California. He represents Larry David, Michael Moore, Sacha Baron Cohen, and Mark Wahlberg, among others.
Raised in suburban Wilmette, Illinois, outside Chicago, Emanuel is the brother of U.S. Congressman Rahm Emanuel, and NIH bioethicist Ezekiel J. Emanuel; his father, the Jerusalem-born Dr. Benjamin M. Emanuel is a pediatrician, who was active in the pre-independence Israeli underground on behalf of the Irgun, a Zionist paramilitary organization. His mother, Martha Emanuel (née Smulevitz), was a civil rights activist, and the one-time owner of a Chicago-area rock and roll club. He is a graduate of New Trier West High School and of Macalester College in St Paul, Minnesota.
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Havana. June 15, 2007
Michael Moore says he is being harassed for filming in Cuba
NEW YORK.— Director Michael Moore says he has been subject to a campaign of "harassment" and "discrimination" because the George W. Bush government has demanded that he explain his alleged violation of the blockade on Cuba after he filmed a documentary on the island.
"This is a form of harassment," Moore said, releasing to reporters a letter that his lawyer, David Boies, had sent to the U.S. Treasury Department. The letter says that his filming was for the purpose of journalism and therefore exempt from the restrictions established by the blockade, the AFP reported.
"We are going to fight this case, and we are going to be aggressive and find out who is behind this," Moore said.
The filmmaker traveled to Cuba last September to film part of his film Sicko, which exposes the failures of the U.S. healthcare system, the report says.
Moore’s producer, Harvey Weinstein, also participated in the press conference and backed Moore’s claim. "In my 25 years in the film industry, I have never seen anything like this," he said. The film Sicko premiered in Cannes last month and is to be screened in the United States on June 29.
Don H wrote:
# Latest news is that MM is afraid his movie might be banned 'cos of the
Cuban scenes - shows Cuba in a good light?
He should claim his Right under the First Amendment.
True, Cuba is a communist state, and thus run on oligarchic lines, rule
by one party, and from the top. This has its defects, but probably not much
more in real terms than modern USA which is a plutocracy with a virtual
one-party with two heads (Tweedledumbo & Tweedledonkee).
Cuba is socialist insofar as its education and medical system are good
and beneficial. Its doctors are known to give assistance overseas to
struggling Third World countries.
So, Cuba, like all nations has some good aspects, as well as bad. It is
probably better off under Castro than under his predecessor, the gangster
dictator, Battista, with his casinos, prostitution, thuggery, and rackets.
Communism is/was feared (like Terrorism is now) because the commos meant
"business" - they told the Top End of Town what to do. Social Democrats are
despised, and tolerated, as they are content to operate within the
capitalist agenda.
The 40-year sanctions imposed on Cuba by the USA is to ensure communism
fails there - cripple its economy. There! Told you communism was no good!
However, let's hope MM can show his film, and we, the people, judge it.
After all, if the USA preaches Freedom & Democracy abroad (Iraq), it should
practise it at home.
Hell Toupee wrote:
Cuba accepts medical students from around the world - including US
citizens - into their medical schools, providing a free education on
the condition that the student repay the education by providing
health care in poor communities.
http://academic.udayton.edu/health/02organ/providers01.htm
The US has offered political asylum to all Cuban physicians working
outside of Cuba who wish to come to the US.
http://cubadata.blogspot.com/2007/03/us-leaves-cuban-physicians-in-limbo.html
Cuban physicians can obtain a license to practice medicine in most
states of the US, usually by taking a refresher course and intensive
English course, then passing the licensing exams.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,907433,00.html
So USAnians can't argue that Cuban medical education/care isn't
comparable to US standards.
http://www.jabfm.org/cgi/content/full/18/4/297
The point Moore was making by taking the Sept. 11th workers to Cuba
for health care was that the US gov't is providing free medical care
to detainees/accused terrorists held in Guantanamo, but not to the
people who lost their health as a result of working at the scene of
the terrorist attack in NY. Moore intended to request care for them
from the same medical people treating the Guantanamo detainees, but
they were not given permission to land at the base. So he ended up
taking the people to the Cuban health care system, which did agree
to treat them for free.
It's a pretty basic question Moore poses: if our gov't is willing to
provide free health care to criminals and accused criminals, why
can't it provide the same care to all citizens. And if not to all
citizens, why not at least to those who've performed extraordinary
and heroic acts on our country's behalf?
HellT
Sicko (review)
Calling the Peasants to Revolt
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I can’t imagine a more important movie being released this year. I can’t imagine another movie making me feel so ashamed for America as a whole, or doing so with more justification. Damn you, Michael Moore, and bless you, for having the temerity and the guts and the balls to do what hardly anyone else is doing these days: yelling from the rafters that we are supremely fucked up as a nation, hollering about the very viable options we have to fix the mess if only we grew some backbone, and screaming with sincere conviction that it’s long past time to revolt.
Make no mistake: Sicko is an explicit call for revolution, and it is a profound and horrifying one. I’m ready to take up arms -- I’m just not sure what that means at this particular crisis point. Among the many, many shocking and disheartening hard truths laid bare here, the most difficult one to parse is the one that wonders where and how to fire an effective first shot. But Sicko is, nevertheless, deeply satisfying in its own way, as if someone, finally, pointed out the 800-pound gorilla in the room, dared to laugh at the emperor’s nakedness, at long last said, “Fuck this shit.” Not that lots of folks haven’t been saying and doing these things for a long time, but here it is in one wonderfully brazen, wonderfully eloquent package.
The thing is this: Our health-care system in American is sick. Truly, madly, deeply sick, because it is geared toward ensuring obscene profits for the corporations in the health-insurance racket and not toward ensuring that people are hale and hearty. Moore (Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11) starts off by demonstrating that it is indeed a racket, with horrific tales of the crimes of HMOs, of all sorts of people being told they are “not eligible for insurance” because -- get this -- they’re sick. How evil is that? That insurance companies can deny coverage to people merely because those people would cut into the corporations’ profits? (Without ever using the phrase that “conservatives” seem to think justifies any and all corporate perniciousness, Moore points out that the “free hand of the market” is usually a slap in the face to most of us ordinary schmoes.)
The testimony from former HMO employees, who quit their jobs because they were so disgusted by what they had to do to keep people from the health care they needed, is absolutely ruinous to all the filthy CEOs who have allowed their fellow Americans -- their fellow human beings -- to wallow in unwell misery and to die miserably over mere dollars. Is there anyone more despicable? Why, yes, there is: the politicians who enable this demented system. Some of those obscene profits, Moore shows us, go to into the pockets of members of our Congress and Senate; it’s all a matter of public record, but Moore plays it up with his usual satirical flair... and he goes hard on both sides of the political aisle, lashing out particularly at Hillary Clinton, that once-champion of universal, government-run, noncorporate health care; apparently even she can be bought. Moore isn’t afraid to call it what it is: corruption at the most powerful inner sanctums of our national “leadership.” These people do not serve us: they serve their corporate overlords. Why do we stand for this?
But Moore is just beginning: we’ve all dealt with the horror that is our health-care system, and he doesn’t need to waste a lot of time telling us what we already know. So he heads to Canada, to Britain, to France, for Christ’s sake, to show us the alternative: systems in which wellness is a priority, everyone is looked after as needed, and doctors are free to actually care for their patients instead of wondering what services they are limited in providing because of some blood-on-his-hands CEO wants a new yacht. With wit that is as devastating a takedown as any angry rant could be, Moore makes fun of the image of “socialized” medicine that has been sold to us by, yup, those corporations with their obscene profits. And in the far larger context, he shows us how the American character has faltered under our system of “health care”; the inevitable next question he leaves us to ask is, How do we find the energy for a revolution when we’ve come to such a frail and feeble state in both body and soul? That’s the depressing crux of Sicko.
I laughed till I cried, sitting through Sicko, and I don’t mean that as a metaphor -- I was taken down by wracking sobs of shame and pity for we Americans by the end of the film, when Moore takes a handful of 9/11 emergency responders who cannot get the medical help they need after their selfless work in lower Manhattan to Cuba, where they are treated with such kindness by Cuban doctors in the free hospital that it is heartbreaking, and mortifying. How have we Americans let such things come to pass, that the best and bravest and most altruistic among us are treated as disposable garbage? (And how we treat our weakest and most vulnerable is even worse, Moore has no hesitation in showing us, too.) How can we live with ourselves?
And that is Moore’s question. Though he tweaks his own notoriety more than once here, he doesn’t shy from being as aggressive as necessary in asking it: How can we live with ourselves?
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Comments from the unruly crowd at PirateBay
freeYRmind at 2007-06-19 14:02 CET:
Being an American that recently moved to Europe I can tell you why we don't trust socialized medicine. Because we have been brainwashed from the day we were born to believe we have the best government on the planet and that government is incompetent. These two things seem to be contradictory, but most Americans don't think about that. It allows people to be for and against a thing at the same time.
But seriously, look at the syphilitic retard they have running the place now. He told Americans government was bad, then he created the worst government since Pol Pot. Would you trust that sadistic bastard with your health? He can barely read My Pet Goat.
I agree with the French doctor in Sicko, the Americans can not institute a socialized system. They will have to continue to waste trillions of dollars to get substandard care. I guess 37th in the world and the lowest life expectancy among any western country is just fine by them.
Da Blues Mon at 2007-06-29 19:15 CET:
Terrific quality... Thank You Michael... I'm an American who is painfully, beginning to see the light!
RosaMannen at 2007-06-11 20:49 CET:
is this for real?
mongodlx at 2007-06-11 21:07 CET:
i wouldn't think so.
"data rate:93kbps" ? eh!
vargpojke at 2007-06-11 21:09 CET:
Only one way to find out.
marszu at 2007-06-11 21:48 CET:
Release Date: 29 June 2007 (USA)
from imdb
bumletog at 2007-06-11 22:48 CET:
imdb's dates doesn't prove a thing, it's already been screened at a few closed film conventions, so it COULD be the real stuff - but yes, only one way to find out!
Kdorimastvarvposesti at 2007-06-11 23:38 CET:
Not my rip - I just reposted it from another tracker!
trin02 at 2007-06-11 23:44 CET:
I downloaded this: 0xSIGMA_presents_Micheal_Moore's_Sicko_(rippedby__PROMETHEUM__)
I think is the same download from the same downloader, but now he is using another name.
Dont loose time the video is no good, you can hear the sound but no video. I have all the codecs and filters.
SacredDaniel at 2007-06-11 23:48 CET:
It's the real thing. I saw the beginning of it, and the quality i good. Great upload!
danglenzig at 2007-06-11 23:51 CET:
That`s bullsh*t. I watched the movie earlier today. Very good quality. Just use the vlc player if you have problems.
trin02 at 2007-06-12 00:43 CET:
Sorry is true, I was missing this codec: MPEG-4 Video (FMP4) codec:
I founded here: http://www.free-codecs.com/FFDShow_download.htm
The video is very good quality. Thank you very much for the download.
Praebeo at 2007-06-12 00:58 CET:
GOOD QUALITY AND AWESOME DOCUMENTARY..
nina19820000 at 2007-06-12 02:22 CET:
f**king socialist propaganda.... nothing is really "free" in Europe. People are s*cked dry by their governments. All european countries with a generous public sectors are deeply in debt. Most citizens pay 40-60% in income tax and the sales tax is 20-25%. The system is collapsing!
ilurk at 2007-06-12 03:15 CET:
Real thing...excellent quality.Seeding...
KKELTIKK at 2007-06-12 04:24 CET:
Thanks trin02 and Kdorimastvarvposesti
trin02 at 2007-06-12 04:51 CET:
Bravo for Another great Michael Moore film. Excellent film, I hope it creates conscience in the US Congress of the need to change the health services in the United States and it's territories. Universal Health Care Services, that's the way to go.
Li_RM35 at 2007-06-12 05:01 CET:
nina19820000 is right - this is all political bullsh*t. Michael Moore is a scumbag lying manipulative rat f**k who will stoop to anything to further his agenda - which can be summed up by "Bash America First".
f**k you Moore - go back to Cuba and s*ck Castro's d*ck like his bitch dog which is all you are. What Moore won't tell you is that the average Cuban will never see medical care as good as what is portrayed in this movie. But this is typical of Moore - create an illusion of truth and get the rest of America haters to buy it simply because they love hating America as much as Moore does.
On the lighter side, I hope people seed the sh*t out of this movie - every copy that gets out there that people don't have to spend good money on deprives fatso of a few cheeseburgers.
Atarian at 2007-06-12 08:00 CET:
Li_RM35: Question!, Are you a prowed American?
Slackness at 2007-06-12 08:32 CET:
Sounds more like a pwnd american. Arfff!!
exoriare at 2007-06-12 08:37 CET:
Li_RM35: Your condition is commonly known as "antisocial psychosis", and it may lead to real problems for you. If you cannot afford access to a physician, you should consider trying to marry someone from any of the other developed countries, where you can be provided proper care.
u2r2h at 2007-06-12 10:06 CET:
TOTALLY AMAZING FILM!!!!! AWESOME!!
Check out the controversy:
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2007/06/download-sicko-new-movie-by-michael.html
plus more download locations as they come about.
Atarian at 2007-06-12 10:46 CET:
Slackness: He he yeh
piretez at 2007-06-12 11:00 CET:
MICHEAL MOORE IS DA BEST !
Gucci83 at 2007-06-12 11:36 CET:
Thanks a lot Kdorimastvarvposesti.
Have been waiting for this one... seeded 400% ^^ now to enjoy the movie :D
downloaded@ 1900Kb/s lol
pspaddict at 2007-06-12 18:03 CET:
It's real! But it does not play in Windows Meda Player, only the audio plays. It works perfectly with VLC media player! DVD quality stuff right here!
mongodlx at 2007-06-12 18:15 CET:
just saw it -- pretty good documentary...
quality of the file: pretty good, low resolution, interlaced and no crop! but works fine otherwise. some sync issues somewhere in the middle
thegr8ashish at 2007-06-12 21:24 CET:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0386032/
duhprane at 2007-06-12 23:07 CET:
Thanks for the file, but Moore and Bush can both s*ck my d*ck.
Michael Moore is a phony piece of sh*t 9/11 coverup artist f**kface govt shill.
This piece of sh*t movie is a cry for socialized medicine in the USA - forced govt dependance, enforced disparity and artificial scarcity in medical services.
Wanna see how govt medicine would do you? - go to Walter Reed hospital and smell the RAT sh*t.
warpengi at 2007-06-13 03:32 CET:
"This piece of sh*t movie is a cry for socialized medicine in the USA - forced govt dependance, enforced disparity and artificial scarcity in medical services.
Wanna see how govt medicine would do you? - go to Walter Reed hospital and smell the RAT sh*t."
Well of course that's the way you would do it in the usa. Here in Canada we thought it might be nice to fund the system properly, but hey, whatever gets your rocks off.
I always like to say if we can't afford the system we have here we sure can't afford the system you have down there. It's a LOT more expensive per capita and coverage is not even universal.
svyl at 2007-06-13 03:34 CET:
nina19820000 really. so, you have missed the fact that the US is in more debt than most European countries? Not counting horror examples like Italy or Belgium of course. We may pay more taxes than they do in america, but we also earn more. So it evens out quite nicely. around 65% of the total US GDP is debts. Which is more than average for a western country. It's constantly increasing aswell :) America have managed to fall deep into debt without spending a penny on the well being of its citizens.
nina19820000 at 2007-06-13 07:38 CET:
svyl... point taken. But two wrongs don't make a right. Socialised medicine in Europe has caused enormous and increasing debt moreover massive "social tourism" from 3rd world countries.
Why should you and I pay for fresh off the boat "Muhamed" or "Pepes" $300,000 open heart surgery...?
Liberal immigration policies = eroding solidarity among the population = lowers incentives to pay high taxes, thus slowly reducing peoples tax moral to the point of zero.
Stop your wishful thinking and enter reality!
xVertigox at 2007-06-13 09:57 CET:
**[[Download]]**
http://joox.net/cat/2/id/1310617
Full movie downloadable as divx.
xVertigox at 2007-06-13 09:58 CET:
Specs for stage6 divx release:
Total Size (MB) ?.: 776,72 MB
Video Length ??.: 02:03:59
Video Codec Name ?: DivX 5.0 codec
Video Bitrate ??: 811 KB/s
Resolution ???: 480 x 272
Framerate ???.: 29,970 FPS
Color Depth ??..: 24 Bits
Audio Size (MB) ?.: 56,76 MB
Audio Codec Name ?: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (MP3)
Audio Bitrate ??: 64 KB/s (CBR)
Sampling Rate ??: 24000 Hz
masseur at 2007-06-13 10:14 CET:
more info, samples, links:
http://www.rlslog.net/sicko-dvdscr-xvid-canalstreet
acidgawd999 at 2007-06-13 10:50 CET:
Why do people come here and leave social commentary? All I wanna know is, is whether the quality is any good and most importantly if the file will actually play.
You wanna write movie reviews go else where.
What is that saying, something about opinions and a**holes?
hpavc at 2007-06-13 17:14 CET:
quality is perfection, its obviously a rip of some sort
svyl at 2007-06-13 20:39 CET:
nina19820000 socialized medicine has not caused huge and increasing debts. most countries here have a shrinking debt. but i agree that fresh off the boat mohammed can visit the local shaman in his radioactive desert instead of leeching on us. those muslim paedophile-loving pigs hate us anyway and we hate them, they have no business here. but health care is NOT free for non-citizens in most european countries.
anyway, nice movie the quality was very good.
Fingol at 2007-06-13 20:50 CET:
To nina19820000
Do you really think open heart surgery costs $300,000 to perform? You don't see the "earning a buck on every dime"-mentality? Supply-demand is present in capitalist-run healthcare, which makes certain operations very expensive. They want to make money, not save lives. "No money? Rot in the damn gutter for all I care." I haven't seen this movie yet, but seeing as I've studied issues like these for years I don't think it will tell me anything I don't already know. 40-60% tax rates? You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. Here in Sweden we've got one of the highest tax rates in the world. Income tax? 25-33%. And we all get to enjoy some of the best healthcare there are. School is free, and we don't pay for going to the university/college either. We actually get paid for going there. Get your facts straight before you start flaming some of the best ideological ideas there are.
acidgawd999 at 2007-06-14 00:22 CET:
This copy sux the Canal Street copy is better.
upyours18 at 2007-06-14 00:44 CET:
stuck at 84.4% with 0 seeders...
@bz at 2007-06-14 02:07 CET:
aXXo YoUr WhOrE MoThEr
mictrmbl at 2007-06-14 02:40 CET:
Excellent movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We here in the USA should be ashamed of ourselves.
Video=8.9/10
Audio=9.6/10
Overall, the quality is very good with a few pixelated scenes and some shallow sound. The movie is in widescreen with dimensions of 480 x 360 and an audio feed of 134 kbps; movie runs at a length of 2 hours and 4 minutes.
Many thanks to the uploader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dvlchlddlx at 2007-06-14 13:59 CET:
EXCELLENT QUALITY!!!! CONVERTED AND BURNED STRAIGHT TO DVD!!!
TAKE THE SOCIAL COMMENTARY ELSEWHERE. I HEAR AND EXPERIENCE ENOUGH ABOUT OUR HEALTH SYSTEM HERE IN THE U.S.A.
port30 at 2007-06-14 18:56 CET:
how do you convert this to dvd tryed nero and winavi no luck can some one help
wilywondr at 2007-06-14 19:15 CET:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMP4
"FFmpeg is developed under Linux, but it can be compiled under most operating systems, including Microsoft Windows. THERE ARE NO FORMAL RELEASES. Instead, FFmpeg developers recommend using the latest Subversion snapshot as development maintains a constantly stable trunk. Released under the GNU Lesser General Public License or GNU General Public License (depending on which sub-libraries one would include), FFmpeg is free software."
I have 187 video codecs installed on my machine already. Why do you think they couldn't use one of those?
Can you say malware?
Wait for it to come out in a real codec,not this sh*t.
Spinoza1 at 2007-06-14 20:54 CET:
Sound and picture is more than adequate but could have been better for a DVD rip, but this does not change the fact that this is a very interesting and emotional movie.
And yet, Michael Moore is hardly ever seen, and takes a back seat to the main arc of the story he is telling.
It is the classic tale of caring for the good of all men vs. that of personal greed.
pelgrim108 at 2007-06-15 00:17 CET:
michael more is a government shill. a little helper boy for the maffia.
schasse at 2007-06-15 00:55 CET:
once again, thank god i don't live in usa
randomguy12 at 2007-06-15 04:24 CET:
I was going to write a comment saying how amazing it is to have a DVD screener with more than a week to go before the cinematic realease.
However, I downloaded the video sample from a website someone else posted and there was no video. It was just a light blue screen. The audio was great though.
I use VLC media player and usually everything works on it. Does the movie work? Is it just the sample that is messed up?
tianton at 2007-06-15 06:09 CET:
Man you yanks are f**ked. Talk about denial. I hope all of you pieces of sh*t wake up one day to find yourselves truly humbled. We Canadians can't do anything but laugh at you as we have free health care and consider it a basic human right. As far as Michael Moore is concerned like him or not at least he has a message. I would rather check this out than Paris goes to Jail - Who gives a f**k about that bitch or any of your other empty distracting from the important issues bullsh*t but i'm sure you're all more consumed with the meaningless bullsh*t in this world than something with some possible meaning. By the way if you want to know what's going on in the world look outside of your own self indulged borders. I love living in Canada because we are TRULY ABOVE YOU.
acidgawd999 at 2007-06-15 06:38 CET:
If you want the best copy of this movie download the canal street copy.
The frame size on this copy will not fill the screen.
acidgawd999 at 2007-06-15 06:46 CET:
Tianton, you seem to be very ignorant about Americans. Doesn't seem like you paid much attention to the movie either. Their are plenty of us that want social medicine. Also, some of us Americans consider the fact that our president plunged us into a war of choice slightly more important than the paris hilton story, however the American public does not control what is shown on the news. If you saw "Bowling for Columbine" you would know that. One other thought we Americans do not want Canada's health care system, we want France's.
tianton at 2007-06-15 07:29 CET:
acidgawd999 Sorry to upset you. I appreciate all Americans have the same views as yourself. My comment was more of a rant to all the ignorant and idiotic comments posted about this movie. By the way i have not seen this movie as of yet but am looking forward to it. I have seen bowling for Columbine and also being from Canada have seen many other eye opening documenteries which i don't believe make it south of the border very often. Yah i would like Frances system as well but hey I still don't pay a dime for my Health Care
tianton at 2007-06-15 07:31 CET:
Anyone want to see other great docs. look for CBC documetaries such as the Denial Machine. CBC until i die. only the truth matters
fatrb38 at 2007-06-15 07:35 CET:
Can someone tell me why I'm having problems with the tracker? I don't get why sometimes my downloads work and at other times all the downloads (and uploads) don't work. Doesn't make any damned sense!
fatrb38 at 2007-06-15 07:38 CET:
I mean for some reason it can't really communicate with the tracker BUT I'm a registered user on ThePirateBay(?).
moo113 at 2007-06-15 09:50 CET:
@tianton
I'm a Canadian, but SHUT THE f**k UP your absolute f**king retard. Go kill yourself.
charlie131 at 2007-06-15 10:34 CET:
why the hell is it that there's always somebody saying sh*t about somebody else in here should'nt this be for movies ect not trying to create world war 3
Oblivion_4 at 2007-06-15 14:50 CET:
yes, but some people just hate other people because they are different
beckerist at 2007-06-15 15:49 CET:
Just like most other western countries, we here in America have:
Liberals, Conservatives, Religious Fanatics, Libertarians, Socialists, Neo-Nazi's, Buddhists, Fat people, Hispanics, Lesbians, a**holes, Handicapped, and (best of all,) dissenters and people with differing opinions.
I respect the fact you have an opinion of us Americans, but if for the simple fact your gross generalization was based off of MICHAEL MOORE of all people, I label you a douchebag.
BackEnThaWomb at 2007-06-15 17:24 CET:
@tianton
f**k you
diogenes.peirates at 2007-06-15 18:31 CET:
Socialism doesn't make Canada better than the USA...it makes it worse...This movie is propaganda, nothing more...
Corporate/Government run health-care doesn't work and makes health-care in general stagnate and lowers the quality for all...
Iceburgslim at 2007-06-15 18:32 CET:
Free healthcare = Unregulated medicines
Choose your poison.
Demonvoid at 2007-06-15 19:04 CET:
I've really been looking forward to watching this every since Michael Moore was interviewed in Entertainment Weekly. I've seen the good side of Health care (My Dad was in the US Navy for about 20 years and He and my Mom have Military insurance. It's all free , which has been fantastic for them considering their in their mid-sixties.) and I've seen the bad side (A close friend of mine's wife found that she had some type of tumor that was causing pressure on her brain and they had to do several surgeries and install a drain tube and everything. She's still alive 8 years later but, they had to declare bankruptcy even after insurance.) What is needed is a system that has some kind of rules as far as charges, 5 years ago, I had my appendix removed and they charged me $8 an aspirin. I'm all for using taxes for Health care instead of furthering wars we can't win. Let's face it, Iraq was a race and religious based conflict from the start. You are not going to simply remove a violent dictator and replace it with Democracy and solve all it's problems. Democrarcy hasn't been the same since Florida and all the recounts and missing votes, it showed the world that America isn't a Democracy of the people. How can we install it in a country that has never ran on that system when we can't even get it to work right in the US?
The major reason that most tax funded health care will fail is these 2 reasons.
1. Tax money is seen as free money to spend by the Government. The first example that comes to mind was Alaska's "bridges to nowhere" as they were called. We had senators arguing over spending billions of dollars to build bridges to tiny islands instead of sending relief money to New Orleans after the flooding? That's not a rare occurance. If you research, you'll find other states that have plans to build or replace bridges that have been deemed unnecessary just because they have the money setting around. Those funds could have helped alot of people who really needed it.
2. It has become common for people to abuse the Health care system. Patients as well as Doctors do it. The last time I was in a ER, there was a guy waiting because he hadn't had to pee that day. He didn't mind talking about it loudly and made the comment that it was free so why not come in.
I'm not going to pretend like I know alot about foreign Helath Care systems but, I know this much about the US system. It has reached a point where alot of it needs to be rethought.
marshill at 2007-06-15 19:49 CET:
Moore is an idiot. Socialized health care s*ckS. Not one westernized country on earth is happy with their health care, including CANADA. As a canadian permanent resident I can tell you that waiting 8 months for an MRI is NOT good health care. Most canadians can't stand their system. Same with Britons. Why is the Mayo clinic's #1 international customer CANADIANS? Hmmm? WHy are private health care clinics in Canada booming? Maybe because people would rather pay OUT OF POCKET for some decent care than wait in the stupid government line.
Socialized health care systems get their equipment from US technology. Japan does not invent health care equipment. The US does. The latest MRI technology, scanners, Xrays...this is US tech.
Social medicine blows, and blows big. You want to lower health care cost? then stop the stupid democratic laywers from suing people. Stop the John Edward's of the world.
Why does an OBGYN pay 120,000.00 a year in malpractice insurance? Because of rich democrats who keep their big lawyers in their money bags. 120K in malpractice insurance per year means high costs.
Moore is just a stupid fat pig who lifts up dictatorship countries where ppl are oppressed, and have no freedom
what a fat moron, and those who like him are brainwashed idiots.
BTW: canadian health care is NOT FREE...if you have a job, you pay deductions. That is in addition to your 40% tax (for those in BC). Ya, 40%. canada blows
sTroider at 2007-06-15 20:11 CET:
Im just so happy I live in Sweden instead of US or Canada.
And btw, public free health care doesnt make it worse for all, but yes, it makes it worse for the ones that in USA would been highly insured. The poor not insured would however get a great improvement.
Just saw the 30 days episode where they live on minimum wage for a month and I have to say its not ONLY Michael Moore who thinks something is really f**ked up in the states.
Fingol at 2007-06-15 21:22 CET:
Jesus Christ.. I can't believe how brainwashed some people can be in the US. Try doing some independent research before you open your ignorant mouth, Marshill. Find as many facts as you can from every angle of the subject, approach them all with critical thinking, THEN make up your mind. Don't listen to what just one person has told you, settle for it and then reject every other views of it without any evidence to back it up with whatsoever, excluding "socialized medicine blows" and the bullsh*t about the 40% income tax rates. That's called being "a narrowminded jackass".
Nailbanger at 2007-06-15 22:54 CET:
You have two choices;
1)Run the system to benefit the bottom line of the HMO.
or
2)Run the system to benefit the health of citizens.
Making $off the sick and dying is capatilism at it's worst.
cybercitizen at 2007-06-15 23:01 CET:
I bet a couple of these downloaders will be sued to make an example out of this. Hope I'm wrong. Michael Moore himself endorses sharing films on p2p:
Quote: "I think that's okay ... you share things with people."
Source:
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/1762.html
jroc261 at 2007-06-16 02:15 CET:
MICHEAL MOORE is fat f**king retard!!!
GANGSTER01 at 2007-06-16 03:21 CET:
f**k YOU ALL f**kIN SCUMBAGS . ALLWAYZ f**kIN COMPLANIN ABOUT FREE sh*t YOU CHEAP BASTERS AREN'T WILLING TO PAY FOR AND STILL CRYIN!!!!!!!!! f**k UUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
marshill at 2007-06-16 03:40 CET:
hey Fingol, take your finger out of your ass u brainwashed collegiate leftist mindless hatemongering socialist scum. You know nothing. I have been all over the world, I will be a canadian citizen in 3 months (dual US-Canadian). I speak for the MAJORITY of candians in BC (wont speak for another province) when I tell you that most of them are VERY DISCONTENT with their healthcare.
8 months for an MRI. Breathe it. Take it in. Its a fact. Idiot. You want to see a specialist? I hope you're not dying, because u can will wait for months. Big lines....overburdened system...lack of doctors, lack of nurses...too many bums...and then those with jobs PAY.
when i say 40% tax, I MEAN IT...unless you are a jobless hemp-smoking bum who flips patties (like you must be)...you will churn out 40% of your money in tax. Actually its more when u combine it with the 12% sales tax on everything.
socialism blows. its an envy system for morons who want to take from others.
"WHATS YOURS IS MINE" - sums up socialist philosophy in 4 words. greed.
marshill at 2007-06-16 03:42 CET:
hey sTroider....hope you never come down with something really serious, but if you do, you will find the best doctors in the world here in the US. We get a lot of Europeans who come here just for treatment they cannot get in socialist europe.
sentone at 2007-06-16 05:05 CET:
marshill, I dont know what the hell you are talking about. Im from Montreal, and I have never waited as long as you are claiming. When I tore a ligament in my knee last year, I waited 2 days before I had an MRI. Ive never waited at a clinic for more than half an hour, and as for the taxes , its less than what my american friends have taken out of their checks for horrible healthcare plans. so Ill just laugh at your stupidity and you can continue to support the failed american healthcare system
war59312 at 2007-06-16 05:52 CET:
Excellent movie!!!
Will be the first and most likely the only HD 1080p movie I will buy and not pirate, simply to show my support. Awesome movie!!
Very much watchable. Sound quality is good, well almost great really. Video quality is good as well, though of course it is in small format, but 100% enjoyable.
110% worth the download. :)
SKredneck at 2007-06-16 06:12 CET:
f**k you sideways marshill. If you love the great american healthcare system (pay for play) soooooo much, stay down there, a**hole! Anybody who thinks a system where the poor haven't a hope in hell, and the size of your bank account determines your place in line, does not have the moral values to deserve to live in such a great country as Canada. Nice Mafia style health care system, hmmm, kinda funny, seems like everything in the U.S. is based on the "money talks" mob platform. It makes me sick to know I have to share my great country with close minded a**holes like you! Get the f**k out!!!!!!
Everybody deserves healthcare, and so far, our system seems to work, without class descrimination!
SKredneck at 2007-06-16 06:15 CET:
Capitalist Swine!!!
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-16 06:17 CET:
We'll see if Moore is even more of a hypocrite than he has previously proven himself to be when his team of lawyers comes here and starts collecting isp addys of downloaders.
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-16 06:22 CET:
http://isohunt.com/download/13692112/911
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-16 06:25 CET:
http://moorewatch.com/
marshill at 2007-06-16 08:36 CET:
im not going to comment on Montreal, I am only commenting on BC. The healthcare there s*cks. People go to private clinics all the time. We knew people that crossed south and went to the Mayo clinic.
'Vancouver, BC ? An Ipsos-Reid poll conducted on behalf of the BC Medical Association (BCMA) and released today shows that British Columbians are concerned about the amount of time it takes to get access to many medical services. In particular, most (91%) are concerned about ?the waiting time for surgery? including two-thirds (66%) who are ?very concerned?."
BC is bad...VERY BAD for waiting. Unless your bleeding, ur gonna sit around a while.
Private clinics are booming.
US healthcare is the best in the world... and will be better when dems quit brownnosing lawyers and they cap the lawsuits.
healthcare at 2007-06-16 09:15 CET:
I feel so sorry for all american who cannot get health care or, get d*cked around by for profit healthcare. For all those who have posted stating that they are from BC (Vancouver) I believe, marshall was one. And the so called perminant resident. Clearly you dont have a F***ing clue what your talking about. We should pass a law to keep people like you out of Canada. I live in Vancouver have a chronic illness and have never been on a waitlist, when I need tests done they are done. Perhaps the person that states they were on a waitlist for months should question how serious there need is. I am sorry, I dont mind waiting a little longer if, my waiting an extra day means that someone will not die. Healthcare here is great as fare as I am concerned. I have never had any issues... and that the truth. You stupid asses who complain about public health are always the first to complain when they get there own way and things get privatized and they end up paying more. Does anyone recall the privatization of Ontario Power/Energy or, whatever it was called? Prices went up... wayup. Stupid asses who think Canada is who bad should get the hell out of this nation... go move to the states. My family as many other has fought many wars etc. for Canadian Values. Go move to the States. I have to insist I feel sorry for all those in the US who cant afford medical care. My heart goes out to you all.... god bless!
sTroider at 2007-06-16 09:16 CET:
Marshill.
when it comes to healthcare, research and development of medicine Sweden is one of the leading countries in the world. And that with "socialist" healthcare.
When it comes to "best country" in the world Norway is number one in the last "check". They are richest when it comes to BNP / capita and has the highest standard of living.
You have to realise that when we are talking USA, just a very little part of the country has it as good as you trying to say.
But if we are talking 10% of the citizens, yes, USA is great. To bad if you are not one of them though.
giggidy2go at 2007-06-16 10:38 CET:
Ok...I'm from BC...just left Sweden and Norway where I was staying for a few months...now in Kiev. The healthcare in BC is great...sure, sometimes you can have a bit of a wait, but normally only if its not too serious. The US healthcare, as mentioned is totally based on how fat your wallet is...nothing more and that simply blows ass. As for Sweden and Norway...have you gone to the dr there marshill? I have...it is good quality health care sure, no different than in Canada or the US, but....getting an appt takes time and no matter what the problem is there is a charge for every visit. period....I think it was 300 sek. And Norway??? Christ...one of the most expensive countries on the planet.
sTroider at 2007-06-16 13:48 CET:
Yes, Norway is expensive, but on the other hand the Norweigans are extemly rich and have very good healthcare/school/kindergarden/eldercare/unameit.
About the charge in Sweden, yes thats true. However there is a "roof" of 1800 Sek if I remember the sum correct. So even if you have to go to doc once a day for a year you never pay more then 1800 / year.
I dont say Sweden and Norway has perfect systems, but imo a better solution then the insurancebased system you find in the states.
Kronocide at 2007-06-16 14:33 CET:
The 300 SEK (~$40) per visit is a flat fee. You pay 300 SEK for a sore throat as well as for brain surgery or cancer treatment. If you can't pay it the social services pay it for you. And yes, there is a maximum per-year cost of 1800 SEK (~$240). Regardless of what is wrong with you or what medication you need, you never pay more than 1800 SEK for treatment and medication. You qualify for this system by being a citizen. As for quality, Sweden is #3 when it comes to life expectancy, the USA is #29.
dm35 at 2007-06-16 14:37 CET:
Some [url=http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml]figures:[/url]
In 2004, the United States spent 16 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent in the next decade [super]2.[/super]
Although nearly 47 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens [super]4[/super].
Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development [super]5[/super].
[sub]2. Borger, C., et al., "Health Spending Projections Through 2015: Changes on the Horizon," Health Affairs Web Exclusive W61: 22 February 2006.
4. California Health Care Foundation. Health Care Costs 101 -- 2005. 02 March 2005.
5. Pear, R.. "U.S. Health Care Spending Reaches All-Time High: 15% of GDP." The New York Times, 9 January 2004, 3.[/sub]
So this system costs more and helps less. It is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the USA. [url=http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm]Life expectancy[/url] in the US is less than Canada, Japan and pretty much all of western Europe. The only reason it is popular is because of the perception that government equals more bureaucracy.
dm35 at 2007-06-16 14:38 CET:
Bah. No vb coding. You get the idea, though *shrugs*.
destructaball at 2007-06-16 14:44 CET:
hey marshill what the hell!!! Ameicans spend six times as much on healthcare on average than Europeans and ure service is still crap and poor people still die from curable dieseases in your country
chud1 at 2007-06-16 15:29 CET:
This was a good movie, makes me ashamed to be an american.
mike7373 at 2007-06-16 15:48 CET:
Dear Europe,
America already has socialized medicine. It's called Medicaid. Now mind your own business and try not to start any more world wars.
Love,
America
P.S. France is gay!
sTroider at 2007-06-16 16:43 CET:
Hurts to be american these days eh?
Medicare is a very crappy solution not even close to the healthcare systems we have in Sweden for example.
And when it comes to war, why would we need to do a sh*t when people like George is in charge?
Its so funny that you so called americans can be so patriotic about your country when all of you are related to the "gay" french or dry brittish lads or even socialistic swedes (Well, if u aint a native indian)
So in a way(since we are your forfathers so to say) we actually mind our own buisness. :P
wilywondr at 2007-06-16 17:37 CET:
There are 62 million dumb Americans. These are the people that think the medical system in the US is good or that socialized healthcare is bad. These same 62 million do not believe in evolution, stem cell research, birth control or that Michael Moore tells the truth.
You can see by the postings on here that the 62 million are being forced to confront reality again. They are slow learners. How many of these morons still(6 years later) think Iraq was involved in 9/11?
If you would prefer to get a better copy of this movie(640 x 320 and encoded with XVID1.2) get this one
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3714789/Sicko.DVDSCR.XviD-CANALSTREET
Demonvoid at 2007-06-16 17:55 CET:
to mink7373: When you sign anything trying to pretend that you speak for everyone in a country, it helps if you have any idea what you are talking about. Medicaid doesn't show where socialized medicine fails, it shows where our system to monitor it fails and, Medicaid is done on a case to case basis where you have to meet certain requirements for it to be available. If you search the term "medicaid fraud" you get alot of valuable information. I found this quote on a page from redorbit.com.
"Some experts say fraud eats up $600 million a year, or roughly 10 percent of Medicaid's $6 billion budget. Medicaid director Mike Ditmore puts the loss closer to 3 percent, or about $200 million"
Fraud is fairly prevalent in any Health Care system we put into place because we always build it on the same foundation. If you go to a doctor that bills for services that he didn't provide, wether you have Medicaid, insurance or you pay out of pocket, chances are he is still going to charge you for the services. Not to offend but, alot of the people on medicaid are either younger, older, know very little about everything on a billing statement in some way or just don't care to look because it was free or very cheap anyways. Search the term "medicaid nursing home fraud" and you will find all kinds of information regarding patient abuse and nursing homes being under-staffed. Medicaid pays for these people to have to lay in bed all day, with nobody caring if they are able to get out of bed at all. My wife worked in a nursing home here in Missouri for about a year and finally left to work at a larger one because they were so badly under-staffed that meals were late, the residents had to lay in urine and feces because there wasn't enough people to change people at the same time, some had bed sores and so on. Oddly enough even with resident's family members and staff making reports, state inspection would still give almost a week notice before coming in. The bottom line is this, these people need to be cared for. We need to push for a system that actually checks to see if it is being done right. We here in America like to think we are far from a third world country but, the truth is, we live in a country where the young and elderly die every day from simple diseases or medical problems that have simple cures. Young or single mothers don't get the needed care for their babies and themselves just because they don't meet certain requirements, or have other cheap insurance available. We live in a country where alot of people die every year just because they didn't find a place in a budget. So, mike 7373....you probably need to drop the whole "America is superior because you think it is bit" and realize that we have alot of problems in this country that are not being fixed, and people pointing out what they think is wrong with other countries while ignoring our own problems is a large part of the over-all problem.
Stefanzon at 2007-06-16 22:18 CET:
sTroider - 2007-06-16 16:43 CET:
Hurts to be american these days eh?
Medicare is a very crappy solution not even close to the healthcare systems we have in Sweden for example.
And when it comes to war, why would we need to do a sh*t when people like George is in charge?
Its so funny that you so called americans can be so patriotic about your country when all of you are related to the "gay" french or dry brittish lads or even socialistic swedes (Well, if u aint a native indian)
So in a way(since we are your forfathers so to say) we actually mind our own buisness. :P
Word !
K1DUK at 2007-06-16 22:24 CET:
What codec do I need? I got FFmpeg after I searched for the codec windows said I needed, but I still just get sound.
bacilo at 2007-06-16 22:39 CET:
marshill: I like the way you included "hatemongering" in the middle of so many hateful insults. It's not only self accusing as it is unproductive to insult. The fact is most Americans never left their country and have absolutely no perspective. It's easy to think your country is the best in everything when that's all you know. (Like a child who thinks his or her parents know everything).
There is no absolute comparison between different systems, and of course the American system has its advantages. However when it comes to treating people and having social peace it's by far worse than most countries in Europe. Just look at crime rates and prison population for example.
Either way, come to Europe and enjoy, most Americans I know here really like it and never imagined it to be so nice. It opens your perspectives and gives some balance to your reasoning and opinions.
Secondly you should not feel you need to support everything in your country to be patriotic. You should always try to make your country better. Isn't it the capitalist way of thinking "Always try harder". Satisfaction is the beginning of decadence and it scares me how satisfied Americans are with their country making them blind and unable to constructive criticism.
mike7373: Of course French are gay, still doesn't support your point... :P But really, stereotypes, although funny are not arguments, Americans are not all gun carrying hillbilly rednecks for example...
Keep trying to make the world a better place and never feel satisfied while at least one person is dying of hunger, cold or lack of medical assistance.
Pedro
K1DUK at 2007-06-16 22:44 CET:
NVM about before. Too bad I can't seem to play it correctly in wmp.
mike7373 at 2007-06-16 23:11 CET:
Well, actually I'm an American who has been living in Sweden for almost 10 years. So, I've experienced both forms of health care, unlike most of you who read a few articles on the Internet (or watch a sh*tty movie) and think you know it all.
To make a long story short, socialized medicine s*cks a wet paper sack full of hairy donkey d*ck. I guess it's okay if you're used to inferior service, and you don't mind waiting a year and a half for basic procedures.
But whatever, I'm not going to try to convince you to change. If you're happy being controlled by government monopolies, and you don't mind not having the freedom to choose, more power to ya.
Oblivion_4 at 2007-06-16 23:18 CET:
I need a video codec
I am only getting sound in WMP
can anyone help?
u2r2h at 2007-06-17 00:59 CET:
SiCkO is easily the best documentary of 2007. Funny, witty and ironic.
Smaller download:
MORE INFO
People! DO NOT engage mar*SHILL* and the other trolls. First they pose as as uneducated "vox populi" and when cornered come up with sophisticated statistics (remember: "the only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself")..
Be careful. The Pharma/Health mafia pays many many millions to PAID AGENTS (PR, "corporate communications) who "MUDDY THE WATERS" as a default action (see climate change debate)... and then "develop a strategy" (bribe, fake, divert, stall, lie).
One of their best tricks is to found "grassroots organisations" then under false pretenses get impressionable and vulnerable mental-hippies to support their cause ("Government wants to "regulate" YOU. In reality government regulates the powerful, to protect the powerless.). Then they present "the people's will" to their paid right-wing parliamentary agents to make profitable laws and/or stop costly regulation.
To stop people from developing any hope for change will shut them up (sometimes for good).
Do not pay attention to words and phrases, pay attention to your own common sense and your intuitive grasp of the concept. Common Sense is your friend! ("It takes a really good education to miss this..." Noam Chomsky, Power and Terror)
Jeez, insurance is better if more people "pay in".
The burden of helping people is lighter if carried by more shoulders.
Hence a monopoly state insurance is the most efficient. Paid for by general taxation = no need for another class of "money collectors" and lawyers and bankers.
Privatisation favours lawyers and accountants but the biggest power is to have money creation into the hands of PRIVATE BANKERS (G.E. Money!). Today there is an incredible (!) flood of cash. Some of this cash needs to be destroyed so that the remainder KEEPS ITS VALUE. Of course you don't destroy the the money of the super-rich (e.g. wall street stock crash), instead you destroy the money of the public! The fastest way is to build weapons, tanks and aeroplanes at public expense, and then destroy them in a series of bloodbaths in other countries... and "make a killing" in the multitude of unlawful dirty deals associated with coercion.
learn more about money creation:
http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2007/03/banks-force-debt-which-forces-war-and.html
Prettyboi at 2007-06-17 03:39 CET:
to bacilo:
Just wanted to say that i loved your post :)
It's nice to see people with common sense on the net :)
Chevy55 at 2007-06-17 05:18 CET:
and what's wrong with American Gun toten renecks? History shows out love for guns allowed us to kick ass, declare our independce from a repressive Europe and become the worlds #1 super power. If only stupidity was painful...right Pedro? BTW Pedro 20 million of your brothers are in my country illegally. Tell them to go back home.
Chevy
theKingRich at 2007-06-17 07:56 CET:
Everybody in America has Health Care! But many don't have health insurance! Everybody can walk-in to any hospital, and have any surgery they want, whenever they want it... That's health Care! You pay for it whenever you want to, however you want to...
In Canada... everybody has health INSURANCE... but Canada has no Health Care... so while you wait for 3+ years for your brain tumor to kill you... your health insurance didn't help you at all! And you're not allowed to pay for private health insurance to help heal you when you really need it... so...
All Universal Health Care will give you is... Health Insurance, while it destroys the world's greatest Health CARE...
Universal Health Care has NEVER worked in ANY country on EARTH! Not Cuba, Not Sweden (with 80+% tax), not anywhere...
To think you want to lay off 50 Million Americans so they at least can have health insurance without any doctors or health care to take care of them is just plain Stupid...
As is Michael Moore...
See some real truth at: http://www.onthefencefilms.com/
sTroider at 2007-06-17 09:03 CET:
80%+ tax?
Im from Sweden and I DONT pay 80% tax. I pay 32% and yes, thats pretty high.
BUT, I never have to worry about not getting healthcare, never have to worry about getting without house/food and everything else I need to survive.
So, tbh, I rather pay my 32% tax and have security.
So, do a regular american pay much less then 32% of his income if you add tax, insurance for unemployment, insurance for healtcare, insurance for kids and so on? I dont think so.
And in Sweden and most other countries you have the choice to go to private healthcare, its no problem. You can even have private healthinsurance if you want to. So the power to choose is yours Mike7373 ( and you should know that if you lived in Sweden for 10 years lol )
hunter1980 at 2007-06-17 12:42 CET:
The American health care really s*ckS. Stop being f**king patriotic, it's your own damn people who get sick, help them instead of being f**king patriotic.
I have a suggestion for all Americans: Stop spending all your damn money for wars. Spend them on your own people.
vamosamorir at 2007-06-17 16:28 CET:
bien dicho, pedro
Demonvoid at 2007-06-17 19:38 CET:
theKingRich: That post was a joke, right? Why would you need to lay of 50 Million Americans to provide Insurance to everyone and why wouldn't they have doctors or Health Care? With all the money that is actually wasted in this country every year, you don't think there could be some kind of reform to move this money into the Helth System? At the worst, it will make jobs in larger Hospitals, Doctor's offices and medical research . Health insurance is one of the top reasons that Americans declare bankruptcy. And in general, people with less insurance or no insurance, do not get as good of care as people with insurance through a private company. You can't possibly watch the news or know alot of people and still say that Health Care in the US is equal? As far as Michael Moore, yes, this video is one-sided and he admits that. But, somebody has to get the ball rolling and somebody expressing anger of the Health Care system in America while doing it in the public eye will get alot more done than any of us every could. By the way, I looked up "Canada tax 80%" and found nothing. Do you have anything at all to back up any of your claims?
Demonvoid at 2007-06-17 20:09 CET:
Sorry, ment to write "sweeden tax 80%"
svyl at 2007-06-17 20:30 CET:
mike7373
I don't know if i should laugh or cry about your pathetic statement. I sincearly doubt you've set foot outside Redneckville, Texas, in your entire life. I went to my doctor complaining about frequent headaches. I was scheduled to get a CAT scan the week after that at a private clinic, it costed me 100 sek(approx 15 dollars). A friend of mine living in Alabama has blackouts and horrible headaches, he's still waiting for his CAT scan - they cost like 10.000 dollars there and insurance company don't want to pay. One week vs Never. I think it's pretty clear which system has the longest waiting periods. We don't have to deal with insurance companies who refuse to approve procedures or expensive checkups here. if for some reason there would be an unreasonable long waiting period for an operation in Sweden, our system allows us to seek care in a neighbouring country where the waiting period is shorter - you then send a bill for all the expenses to the government and they pay for it. The reason i'm sure you're lying about living in Sweden is that if you actually lived here you would know all this stuff - appearently you don't.
btw it was only sinusitis, cost of medication : 10 dollars :)
blastadaw at 2007-06-17 22:49 CET:
what is this, you people?this is supose to be free politics and goverment site.And you people are trying to be all rightchess and sh*t.Let`s enjoy the movie if you want and if you don`t like it keep it to your damn self.And for all of you who encurage americans to come here to europe and smell the roses , please DON`T!! Leve them right as they are FAT and on the other side of atlantic.
sputza at 2007-06-17 23:13 CET:
I'm running Vista and cant get this to play. What Codec and player do I need to make this work? Thanks in advance.
hunter1980 at 2007-06-18 00:27 CET:
Vista codec:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Codec-Packs-Video-Codecs/Advanced-Vista-Codec-Package.shtml
Or download VLC medie player ( the best one ):
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
thefileman23 at 2007-06-18 05:43 CET:
To Michael Moore: I just can't believe such a movie got into the hands of the file sharers. You and the studio could've easily prevented it if you wanted to. So I've reached the only logical conclusion: you put this up on the Internet yourselves. And for that, thanks!
I suspect your thinking is that most of the people on here aren't going to go to the theatres anyway, so it's no real lost revenue. If anything, they will watch it and help spread buzz which will get more people into the theatres and paying. As for me, I like the movie so much I'll surely hit it on the big screen and bring some friends.... it's well worth the ten bucks!
ps: I hope you win the Oscar!!!
zaibazu at 2007-06-18 07:07 CET:
Does anyone have a subtitle file for this movie ? I am not a native English speaker, so if the accents are too far from BBC English I often have trouble understanding it :)
sTroider at 2007-06-18 20:31 CET:
Blastadaw,
The site and the ones behind it doesnt have a political stand. Doesnt make the users not able to take stands, right?
brahtupcy at 2007-06-18 21:42 CET:
Chevy55 and therich king
you are idiots. In canada it is not illegal to go outside and get an operation done if you have been waiting longer than you want. We can do as we please, but will likely have to pay for the entire proceedure.
Americans like you are why the world hates the west. "our guns are bigger we will blow you up" "were the #1 world power, blah, blah, blah,". This way of thought is why you got spanked in Vietnam and are getting murked in Iraq.
i wish the better part of americans (educated and rational ones) would speak up rather than a**holes like you two.
BuddyGooodness at 2007-06-18 22:21 CET:
Just for future reference, when you tell us Americans to stop spending money on wars and spend it on health care you are under the impression that we somehow control our government. That is not how it works, we only get an opportunity to change our government every four years and even then we only get to choose from rich a**hole 1 and rich a**hole 2, both of whom could care less if any of us live or die. They tell us what they want to hear and the morons turn out in droves to vote for them based on the false promises and fear mongering of terrorists, and homosexuals. We have no say in how our tax money is spent, it is robbed from us before we even get it. If we refuse to pay taxes that will get spent in Iraq, we get thrown in jail.
zk0 at 2007-06-18 23:07 CET:
It was awesome! Everyone should watch it, especially the americans here. :P
And for the swedes around here: Say NO to Reinfeldts and the rest of his gangs plan to sell out the swedish healthcare system!
tedeq at 2007-06-18 23:23 CET:
Swedes usually dont pay 32% tax, if they are low income then yes thats what they pay.
But,
Whats important is the Swedes world highest BNP taxation witch is 52%, the Swedes have high taxes on EVERYTHING the US has 30% BNP taxation. So even if you only pay the "kommunal" taxation you still end up paying 52% of your money back to the goverment, on food / gas / rent taxes.
You cant buy REAL health care in Sweden, if you need a new KIDNEY, you wait in line-- a friend of mine waited 6 YEARS, without an option to buy it privatly in Sweden.
You go for a checkup in Sweden, you still have to pay 40-50 dollars. Same as many other American states WITHOUT health insurance.
Anyone whos anyone in Sweden never goes to the public "Vårdcentalen" couse according to all studies that service there is sh*tty, and the people that work there have a sh*tty no service attitude, you go to a private clinic if you want service and advise EVEN in Sweden.
Demonvoid at 2007-06-19 00:10 CET:
Buddy Gooodness: I am an American and I was one of those people. You are right about the election system and taxes. This has stopped being a country where we have a Government for the people, by the people. The last 2 elections we have been able to elect our own dictator by being told we have a choice. Bush does whatever he wants, whenever he wants and never has to explain anything. As I remember, they wanted to impeach Clinton and all he had was some shady land dealings and lied during a sexual harrassment investigation....although I can't say that I'd want Cheney in charge. It's really time that the American people stood up and insist that Tax money be used to better our country. It stands like this, every week the casualty list grows, there still isn't any proof of WMD's or a convincing 9/11 connection and if we ever do pull out, there are so many religious conflicts that we'll send their country into civil war. That is alot of money that could have been invested into Health care, as could alot of tax money wasted on useless projects in our country.
We like to think we live in a Democracy but the only real difference is that instead of taking our money from the start, we are allowed to keep things that we have to pay for to be able to say we own.
I'm as patriotic as anyone. I support all the American soldiers but, not the war (Honestly, how does patriotism tie into supporting something that kills soldiers?). I support America but, not the greed and corruption of the Government. I support Taxes that better our country and work to make it better for the future but, not the ones that go to further a war we can't win and is being fought for reasons that still can't be shown to be true. You are most likely right about change but, it's better to try and change something and fail than to just accept it as the way it is.
pimpwiththis at 2007-06-19 00:57 CET:
I just watched this movie and it was great. Learned alot from how our country taxes everything and the people never benefit. Remember Bill Clinton shot down welfare and he was suppose to be for the people. What has our country become? Our Government is corrupt!
Zjohn at 2007-06-19 01:52 CET:
Well I just need to put in a word here. Everyone that's telling ppl that the healthcare in Sweden is bad, I just need to say - WRONG! Im happy to pay high taxes for the GREAT healthcare and ALL THE OTHER SOCIAL SUPPORT we have here. (Don't feel like come whit examples everybody else did that so freat b4 me =P ).
svyl at 2007-06-19 02:03 CET:
tedeq
You're right, we pay a lot of taxes in Sweden. When it was the worst, it was at 51%. Together with Denmark, swedes are the the most taxed people on earth. However, that is now shrinking. If i remember correctly Denmark has now taken over the lead in that area. Our taxes are outrageous but our salaries are also in general higher. So it evens out. 40-50 dollars is an exaggeration, but with the weak dollar the cost here might sound expensive to americans but for a swede the fee is very low. Usually somewhere around 20-30 dollars depending on where you live. which the government pays if you cannot afford it. and there's a roof on the fees per year aswell. The part about the kidney transplant must seriously be the dumbest part of your commentary, even though the rest was hilariously stupid aswell. Do you think kidneys grow on trees? Waiting periods exist everywhere, there's a shortage of organ donors in all countries. Except in China where they shoot people and take the kidneys to sell to rich americans and europeans. Our doctors just have the bad habit of saving peoples lives instead of letting them die to harvest their organs for richer patients. How mean of them, huh? There's nothing wrong with Vårdcentralen health centre but sure you can go to a private clinic, they're covered by the government subsidies aswell and don't cost more than the government run health centres.
Painter21 at 2007-06-19 05:41 CET:
First off what's it about?
jakeyheke at 2007-06-19 06:23 CET:
Great upload, this is an amazing movie. I live in New Zealand and I've always thought about wanting to visit the states because America has so much over there, but then I watched this movie and how it's changed my opinion of wanting to go to America. The system alone scares me knowing that the slightest and simplest of accidents could could turn a great vacation into a complete nightmare, one that I'm not willing to risk. I live in a country where health care, hospitals are free. I value what we have after watching this movie.
An excellent must see movie, even if you are not American.
Oblivion_4 at 2007-06-19 07:09 CET:
DURRRRRR! Its about healthcare!!!!! There is already a wikipedia article on it!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicko
Muzlumkillah at 2007-06-19 10:44 CET:
This shows how easily some people will believe a fat ass loser who hates the US, I wish he would leave and all others who are spreading bullsh*t about the US. If this place s*cks so bad, why are people still flooding in over our borders? Yeah, f**k off haters.
tedeq at 2007-06-19 11:19 CET:
Zjohn & Syyl
If you guys think sweden has high taxes just couse we got free healthcare your born yesterday. The system in Sweden is so redarded you pay worlds highest taxes, but when you need basic service that "should" be financed fromt the Gov, you still need to pay.
Example
The goverment pays huge amounts of money to keep the public tooth clinics running "Folktandvården", you go there and guess what you pay the same money to fix a teeth you would to any clinic in the US without insurance. You just end up paying twice, once in taxes, second time at the clinics.
For basic checkups, you pay the SAME.
Except if you have a braintumor they will give you an asprin, and say its a headache. If you want to get a XRAY in Sweden, you have to fight the system to get one. In the US they assume the worst, witch i rather do then just say go home get some days of from work and relax.
A friend of mine had a fotball accident, she still is waiting after 2 years to get her foot operation. You think for a second our football "heroes" wait 2 years? When Fredrik Ljungberg gets a food problem, he gets the best surgery in the world after 2 days, PRIVATLY.
freeYRmind at 2007-06-19 11:43 CET:
"nina19820000 is right - this is all political bullsh*t. Michael Moore is a scumbag lying manipulative rat f**k who will stoop to anything to further his agenda - which can be summed up by "Bash America First".
Take it from an American now living in Europe. Americans are being raped. You pay just as much in Local/State/Federal/Property tax as any European. Only idiots would see a well researched critique of American policies as Bashing. If you took your head out of that elephants ass some time, you would realize there are better ways of doing things. Ah, but that would require a little effort and thought. Much easier to let Fox and Rush do your thinking for you. Meanwhile the dollar is becoming worthless, and the repugs continue to rape the treasury for every cent they can steal.
nina19820000 at 2007-06-19 11:45 CET:
The funniest thing with the pro-communist Medical People are their statements like "taxes in Sweden and Denmark are not so high, I only pay 20%". Only people with crap or no jobs pay that low taxes... hard working people pay 50-60% income tax and EVERYBODY here pays 25% sales tax. The European consumers buying power are much lower than in the US. Except for perhaps the poorest (drunks and immigrants).
A recent study concluded that if Sweden would be a state, it would be the poorest in the union. Lower than Alabama :-) http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/75665379.pdf
Plus economic growth has been sh*t in western Europe last 15 years compared to the US.
blastadaw at 2007-06-19 12:51 CET:
Muzlumkillah is right! America is the best county in the world and we all wish to somehow just get there and live happily ever after. Right!!
HIROSHIMA,NAGASAKI,VIETNAM,CUBA,VENEZUELA,PANAMA,AFGANISTAN,IRAK,IRAN,PALESTINIA,HALF OF THE AFRIKA,SERBIA.... do i need to continue...Hitler is just a baby compared to you americans. Thats how you get big and rich. And the worst of it all is that 1 % of your people owns half of the country and rest of you guys are fed with a dream about american dream. To bad that som of us on the other side of the border are hooked on those dreams to, AND THAT`S WHY we are flooding over your borders, BITCH!! So my dear Muzlumkillah, you`re living a lie , america is just like every other country in the world only you guys know how to rob and make it look ok.And i must say, I respect that... heheheheh.
sTroider at 2007-06-19 16:47 CET:
The tax "rich" people pay in Sweden pays the medical bill, healthcare and social security actions for the ones not so wealthy citizens. So, yes they pay more then a "poor" citizen.
But the strange thing with this is that in Sweden you also get more then healthcare for your tax. You get a social security net that most countries citizens dream about. You can actually never get more then poor in Sweden. And with poor I mean, enough money to pay rent/electicity/food and all the basic needs a human have. And after this you have not MUCH money left, but you got some money to spend on pleasure. If you cant come up with this amount of cash yourself, the state will provide it to you.
I dont say that Sweden is THE best country in the world, I think you always can improve things.
When it comes to economical growth maybe you are right. But how come the U.S dollar are extremly weak and has been for a longer period of time now? Shouldnt the $ be stronger then ever if your growth is so damn good?
And what do you get for your 25% sales tax? Not healthcare, not social security, not much law inforcement since 10000s of ppl dies from crimes every year in USA, bad educations overall (Most amercians dont even know where Sweden or germany is). So what do you get?
DREDuk at 2007-06-19 17:07 CET:
WTF how do u even watch it? I've used about 4 Different Media playerd and neither of them shows the picture. CAN any one TELL which one to use?
Demonvoid at 2007-06-19 19:11 CET:
Muzlamkillah: Exactly how is it a bad thing to want any kind of Health Care reform, when we live in a country where so many people die every year from simple injuries or illness? Yes, Moore made more money than either one of us will ever see for filming this. Yes, Sicko is very one-sided. You are supposed to see the parts of the system that have failed. Would any of us be here downloading it or talking about it if it was a movie that had the message "The Health Care and Health Insurance System in America is perfect, now go back to watching T.V."? No one person has all the answers but, alot of people see problems in the system. Wether Moore is right or not, it's nice to see someone who has the ability to speak world-wide stand up and say "Yes, there are problems in our country and maybe it's time we worked on them?"
As far as people coming to America, that is easy to explain. America is far more industrialized than most of the countries that these people come from. So, which would you pick? Live in a country with few Economical oppurtunities or move to a country where it is fairly easy to get a job if you want one? Mexico for example, has had a very strong Agricultural community for years. Now they are starting to see advances in their Agricultural Technology that make alot of the manual labor side obsolete. Another reason is the Free Trade Agreement between America and Mexico. If a trade situation is done right than both countries stand to gain but, in a situation where we can export more products to Mexico than we import from them or they are able to get larger or cheaper quantities by importing from the U.S., we destabilize the trade agreement and they lose jobs in their country because of it. By creating jobs in our country, we are in fact, taking jobs away in their country.
By the way, what is with the username? Assuming that just because someone is a Muslim, that they deserve to die when they as a person have done nothing wrong is stupid. Blind hate is irrational as well as pointless.
startrek74 at 2007-06-19 19:19 CET:
Just want to say that Sweden does not have higher taxes than the rest of the world, I pay 31% income tax, that includes free healthcare, reduced prices on medicine, free schools, for life, roads without ANY potholes. That ain't too bad.....
If you ad up the State tax, federal tax and city tax that a US citizen pay, you end up around 30 %, and thats all I had to say about that.
kongdvd at 2007-06-19 19:22 CET:
Michael Moore finally now says 9/11 Could Be Inside Job:
"bombs in WTC buildings... missing video of Pentagon attack..."
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/190607Moore.htm
Marxgorm at 2007-06-19 20:11 CET:
The commentary on this file is crazy..
To the Furious Anti-Moore society. WHAT is wrong with a universal healthcare?, Taxes do not suffer much, tone down the crusades in the middle east a bit and it would be no problem to fund.
also, for the love of god quit spewing out random bullsh*t regarding Moore, sure he makes some biased films, but this is excellent work and demonstrates how stone-age America really is when it comes to caring for its own citizens.
I had a lung collapse on me twice in 1 month, total 2 surgeries, 4 days in hospital, 20+ x-rays and atleast 2-3 hours of qualified doctors time. cost me a grand total of 15 bucks.
I can't understand why you do not want this to happen in America.
lose 2% of your abillity to buy whatever you want and gain more jobs, security and welfare for everyone.
patrik78 at 2007-06-19 20:53 CET:
I have read the 6 pages and I have to say that there are many ignorant people here.
America is not a country it is a CONTINENT! Please use the right statements when you are talking about a country as US.
Case dismissed!
rave1704 at 2007-06-19 21:34 CET:
The healthcare in the U.S might be bad, but it's nothing compared to what we have in Bulgaria :P
rave1704 at 2007-06-19 21:36 CET:
by the way it's not U.S it's U.S.A and the "A" means America ....
FARGO-- at 2007-06-19 22:00 CET:
Oh really. America is a continent is it? What kind of a f**king dumass statement is that...when was the last time you looked at a map retard.
Oblivion_4 at 2007-06-19 22:18 CET:
DURRRR! America is a country, now North America, that is a continent
patrik78 at 2007-06-19 22:36 CET:
The Americas are the lands of the Western hemisphere or New World consisting of the continents of North America[1] and South America with their associated islands and regions. The Americas cover 8.3% of the Earth's total surface area (28.4% of its land area) and contain about 14% of the human population (about 890 million people). The term the Americas is an alternative to the term America, which may refer to either this entire landmass or just the United States of America.
US, USA are as much valid as American, true (Check Wiki). I want to show my point. For example:
I met some US dudes and ask "Hi, where are you from?"
They - We are from America.
Me - Nice, my mother is also from America. (Just being funny)
They ? Really! From where in America?
Me - Argentina
They - Uhh?! Argentina is not in America
Me - Yes, it is.
They - ?? (Still funny because they don?t get it)
How can someone be so brainwashed? What is wrong with the school today? This is just one of thousand examples. Please don't misunderstand my opinion. I know that there are very talent people in USA. But the overall knowledge about the real world outside the USA is very frightening.
When I hear Bush talking about war and military defense is almost as giving a 5-years-child a real gun to play with.
alarteaga at 2007-06-19 22:53 CET:
The saddest part is that every single one of the people who are here saying that socializing Health care is bad, can afford private insurance so never have to worry about being denied medical treatment. How about putting yourself on the shoes of those who cannot pay for private insurance and ARE denied medical treatment?
Philmac2008 at 2007-06-19 23:30 CET:
OK I'LL I GOT TO SAY IS THAT YOU YANKIES s*ck AND CANADA IS GOIN TO BUY YOUR COUNTRY SOON! WE HAVE FREE HEALTH CARE HERE! HA HA
Demonvoid at 2007-06-20 00:10 CET:
Patrik78: People in Canada or Mexico do not refer to their country as America. They are North Americans, if you are refering to the continent of their origin but, they are not going to tell you what continent they are from, they will tell you what country. There is also the United States of America. We say America as an abbreviation of that. Unless you call people from the U.S.A. by anything other than Americans than you use the term to. Although, you are dead on about Bush.
Demonvoid at 2007-06-20 00:12 CET:
I should add that I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just explaining why we say America when we are refering to our country of origin.
luminousoctaves at 2007-06-20 00:12 CET:
Well, you don't have to be Einstein to realise that Canada is a far more healthy nation than US.
Physically AND psychologically.
Thank god for gravitation, USA is sinking...
Cauthon at 2007-06-20 00:42 CET:
Yeah.. thats why canada is ruling the world.
Light&Sound at 2007-06-20 01:06 CET:
Can anyone help..
I would like to know how to upload to this site, can anyone tell me how to or where to go to read how to.
If you could help it would help everyone as i have over 180GB of files (films,music,applications & fun stuff to upload)
I have made a temp e-mail address which i will delete after 30-6-07 , so spamers etc dont waste your time but anyone wishing to help can email me at HTTPWWWCOMS@aol.com .Thanks in antisipation of your help. SJD
svyl at 2007-06-20 02:13 CET:
nina19820000
60% taxes? What have you been drinking? That's unheard of, stop trying to save your point with lies. It's not a VERY recent study. It's a few years old. Made by Timbro which is a political think tank for a rightist party that idolizes the US. You can prove anything with statistics. That report conveniently came out when the dollar was at is height and our currency was very weak. Today, it's almost only worth half of what it used to compared to the swedish Krona. To make the exact same study today, would with the current exchange rates, most likely make us the richest state, by far, in the union. To claim we have a lower purchase power than you do is rediculus, we live very well in Sweden. Don't get me started on economic growth, america is financing everything it has with loans and the economy is slowing down. Europe is taking over the US in economic growth this year, according to the OECD. But i bet fox news didn't meantion that. Not very fun to bite the sour apple after having bashed europe for years on air. 65% of the entire US GDP is debts. and it's growing. VERY fast. Sweden, 46%, and shrinking. America is rocketing to the poor house.
tedeq i never meantioned dental as far as i remember. that's not free here and somewhat expensive. You are so full of crap it's unbelivable:) Read my own experience when i had a CAT scan on my brain. Took like a week. It was my doctor that insisted, i only wanted help with my headaches. So, exact the opposite of the scenario you just described.
socrboi361 at 2007-06-20 04:18 CET:
What conversion software will convert FFmpeg?!
Or what program can I use to burn a DVD?!
clevy4956 at 2007-06-20 04:55 CET:
idoits with the world view of goldfish
acidgawd999 at 2007-06-20 08:06 CET:
Yo, people the quality of this copy is sh*t.
Ya need to get the CanalStreet copy if ya want quality
tamgoose1212 at 2007-06-20 09:01 CET:
thanks to trin02.. got it working from your link. page 1. cheers.
markrracer at 2007-06-20 10:29 CET:
LOL, this is a funny thread. There are people bashing and people praising universal healthcare with little content. Debates on what countries? tax percentages are. And to top it off, it has a debate on what to call the United States of America. It has it all.
Well of course I?m going to give my two cents. I?ll start of by saying I?m a Republican, voted for George Bush, and am against universal healthcare. I don?t really care to start a debate about why I voted for him. It had more to do with embryonic stem cell (not all stem cells), universal healthcare, and other things.
Well I haven?t seen this movie yet because I?m currently downloading it right now. Will it change my mind on the matter? Well, I highly doubt it. I?m not a big Michael Moore fan. I have seen most of his films and question why people follow him or get so upset by him. I wouldn?t say that his films are complete lies but they tend to be very skewed and misleading. They are somewhat entertaining. I?m willing to admit that. So, I said I?m against universal healthcare and I don?t care for Michael Moore. So I should be saying stuff like, ?Michael Moore is a stupid fat pig and all form of universal healthcare will lead to the destruction of that country!? right? Well, I?ll admit Moore could lose a few pounds and I do think universal healthcare will hurt the U.S. (aka United States of America), but saying general statements don?t usually win arguments.
So, I should make my arguments about now. But first let me lay down the ground rules. I will be talking about why the U.S. (aka America) getting universal healthcare is a bad idea. I?m not saying that all universal healthcares are bad or it doesn?t work for all countries or how it?s a bad idea. This will be just be about how it wouldn?t work here in the States (aka U.S.A.).
Reason 1: We have Medicare that covers people over 65 or meet special criteria. In 2005, Medicare provided health care coverage for 42.6 million Americans.
Reason 2: We also have Medigap which refers to various private supplemental health insurance plans sold in the United States to help pay for medical expenses not covered (or only partially covered) by Medicare.
Reason 3: We have Medicaid which is a health insurance program that covers individuals and families with low incomes and resources. Among the groups of people served by Medicaid are eligible low-income parents, children, seniors, and people with disabilities. Medicaid is the largest source of funding for medical and health-related services for people with limited income in America (aka United States).
Reason 4: We have State Children?s Health Insurance Program which covers families who earn too much money to qualify for Medicaid, yet cannot afford to buy private insurance. This covered over 6 million children at some point during Federal fiscal year 2005.
Reason 5: Higher paying jobs help pay for medical insurance or give it away as a benefit for working at the company. This gives you good insurance for low/no cost.
This might start to sound like a semi-universal healthcare already but it?s not. These programs focus mainly on people who need help while keeping people who make enough money getting healthcare for themselves.
Reason 6: If universal healthcare were to be in place, most of services (reason 1-4) would be dropped and combined into one. Money would be distributed evenly with everyone including people who could afford to pay insurance.
Reason 7: If universal healthcare were to be in place, more employers would change their benefits plan by removing health insurance for higher pay or some other incentive.
Reason 8: Healthcare would have to be monitored more strictly by the government which could lead to them controlling pricing.
Reason 9: Controlled pricing/regulation of public healthcare could lead to set amount spent on medical expenses per hospital/person. This would lead to lower quality and prevent needed big money operations for patients.
Reason 10: There will be a big tax increase to pay for healthcare and setting up the system.
Of course, I kept free clinics out because they tend only be in big cities. I also kept out medicine groups (like the one Wal*Mart have) because it would make my reason list bigger than ten. I?ll watch the movie and let you know what I think about it.
tedeq at 2007-06-20 11:26 CET:
Syyl:
Yes im so full of crap its unbelivable, just because I dont see the swedish society the way You do.
You are right and im wrong. Thank you for clearing that up for me, now when you have made it all so clear for me, i will surely vote for the socialists 2010, WAAWAAWEEWAA!
sTroider at 2007-06-20 13:14 CET:
Tedeq : Hopefully as you are such a patriotic american (citizen of the U.S.A) you will most likly not getting swedish citizenship and thats nessecary to vote in the state election. And even if you get to vote and choose the most rightwing party they are still communists compared to american(Parties in the U.S.A) parties.
And marrkracer, you have alot of reasons why your healthcare is good.
However, since you have a zillion different programs that is supposed to help minor groups in the US, wouldnt it be easier to just have one single program that offers EVERYONE free healthcare instead of having 1000s of people employed whos only reason to work is to decline or approve if people meeting the criterias needed for healthcare?
Or is it just the thought of your $ helping someone else that is horrible?
tedeq at 2007-06-20 14:28 CET:
sTroider
Du menar förhoppningsvis att jag redan 2010 emigrerat till ett land där kommunister och mona muslim inte finns representerade i min regering, vi får se. Allt kan hända.
Det finns bra & dåliga saker med båda systemen, privat eller statligt. Denna filmen visar dock bara ena sidan av myntet.
Det finns tyvärr många saker som är dåligt med Svensk sjukvård, att svenskar så gärna inte vill inse det, och tro på allt som kommer från michael moores rumpa är sorgligt, men ligger helt i tiden, med det enorma USA hat som finns i våra samhällen.
Man hade kunnat göra en likadan film om det Svenska systemet, där svenskar får åka utomlands för att få en service dom inte kan få här, men det lär aldrig ni få se på SVT.
Svenskar hade försvarat ett högt skattepress ända upp till 99% av deras lön, om dom känner att storebror tar hand om skola, vård, omsorg. Lata jävlar överlag helt enkelt.
gorgac at 2007-06-20 14:30 CET:
I'm not an American but after watching the film I feel pretty incensed for you guys. I've never had a major illness but I'm happy to pay extra taxes (plus
private health insurance) every year for a public health system. Now I understand all that stuff about
people being denied treatment on ER and House. Man, that's totally f**ked!
svyl at 2007-06-20 16:16 CET:
Don't bother tedeq. I'm a conservative. I voted for the terroristloving socialists once when i was 18 and i still kick myself for it. You really do sound like a lefty, excluding the fact you don't like taxes. you sure have enough of self hatred in you to fill the national congress of vänsterpartiet.
viggos200 at 2007-06-20 16:23 CET:
svyl: nina19820000 hasn't been drinking. I don't know what point he/she was trying to prove, but I can confirm that taxes actually go as high as 60%.
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-20 17:34 CET:
K1DUK,
Get VLC Media Player at http://www.videolan.com/ Click on the Vlc Media Player link in the right column and follow the links.
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-20 17:36 CET:
Oblivion_4,
See my last post.
sTroider at 2007-06-20 17:48 CET:
Tedeq,
Lata eller så bryr vi oss litegrann om våra medmänniskor och anser att våra svagaste åtminstone ska ha en någotsådär hygglig levnadsnivå.
Eller så kan man kasta ut dom på gatan och låta dem ta hand om sig själva, för det är ju trots allt deras eget fel att de blev sjuka och inte har haft råd till försäkring.
Det finns fel i svensk sjukvård, jag har inte påstått något annat. MEN, vi räddar liv oavsett om det är kostnadseffektivt eller inte. Det är skillnaden.
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-20 17:53 CET:
"The Americas are the lands of the Western hemisphere or New World consisting of the continents of North America[1] and South America with their associated islands and regions. The Americas cover 8.3% of the Earth's total surface area (28.4% of its land area) and contain about 14% of the human population (about 890 million people). The term the Americas is an alternative to the term America, which may refer to either this entire landmass or just the United States of America."
Wrong. There is only one America and that is the United States of America. "The Americas" incompasses THREE Americas -- North Central, and South.
When you hear the term "Americans" do you immediately think of Argentinians? Chileans? Brazilians? Hondurans? Mexicans?
I'll answer that for you "No, and hell no!" You think immediately of the inhabitants of the United States.
"The Americas" incorporates two -- COUNT 'EM -- TWO continents: North America and South America. To say you are from America to someone they will IMMEDIATELY think of the United States regardless of your word games and semantics to the contrary.
freddy85 at 2007-06-20 20:26 CET:
I live in Norway and have been seek for almost a year, in hospitals it is like 1-3 months of waiting for sertains things who is not life threatening...
(i have constantly pain so it a long wait, but usually you get faster help if you call them often, but that should not be needed)
And i still not get any help who have get my condition any better.
So Norway is not specially good place to be seek...
So don't think that there are magic thing happening here where everybody are health and that stuff.
Norway have a lot of money and the average man earn like 100k dollars.
But cars and that sh*t are extremely expensive.
markrracer at 2007-06-20 20:49 CET:
In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes. -Benjamin Franklin
Well, I just got done watching the movie. I have to admit that this is Michael Moore?s best movie. I?ll even say that I enjoyed watching it. The movie still doesn?t have me sold on universal health care. I see that people assume that I against paying more in taxes. That isn?t the case at all. In fact, I would rather pay a 15% to 20% increase in taxes instead of paying for iffy medical healthcare. To get medical help with no cost and no worries would be worth it. Money is an issue but not in that way.
The problem with America?s healthcare is not so much the insurance but the cost of giving healthcare. For example, the drug that lady got in Cuba for 5 cents; cost her over $100 in America. Another example is the cost of replacing a finger. If we implement an universal healthcare without controlling prices first, then we wouldn?t have enough money even if we had a 50% tax increase.
The reason why I do not want the government to control our healthcare is because it?s our government. I love the U.S. and I understand that our government F***s up if given half a chance. For example, the government regulates energy such as Consumers Power. This is the only source where I can get power for my house. Well after the rolling blackouts in 1997(?), Consumers Power wanted to charge more to cover fixing and updating power lines and power plants. The problem with this is, that they were suppose to fix and update with the money we already give them. Another example is unemployment (at least in Michigan). If you go on unemployment in Michigan, you are supposed to be looking for a job. This means actively putting in resumes and such. Well to prove that you are doing this, you are set a time to call an automated telephone service. All you have to do is punch in a few numbers once a week and live close to what you would have made (70%+) if you didn?t get laid off/ fired. The best and classic example on how the government screws things up is Social Security. Do I need to say more?
Yes, I agree that health care in America does need to be fixed. I just don?t think universal healthcare is the answer for us.
sTroider at 2007-06-20 21:37 CET:
Marrkracer,
I liked your comment tbh. No WE R SUPERIOR HEATLCAR3 ROXXOR IN US, but a good comment that made me really read and try to see it in your view.
Your point is good and I must admit that you probably are right. Universal HC maybe wont work in the US, due to your "traditions" in the HC area. However something needs to be done, and there we both agree.
marshill at 2007-06-20 23:42 CET:
hey you stupid socialists, take this: Only in the USA.
I had some knee pain, nothing major, still able to walk & run, but painful enough that after 20 mins of running, I have to stop. So I go to my doc, he takes an X-ray. I visit him the next day, he doesnt see anything in the x-ray so forwards me to an orthopedist. 5 days later, Im at the orthopedic (u like that Canada? britain? France? In 5 days I am seeing an orthopedic for occasional knee pain. Breathe it in.)
At the orthopedic on Monday, he comes in and sees me. He looks at the X-ray and tells me that my bones are fine, and that he suspects a small meniscus tear. He recommends an MRI. I say "yes, thats great". He puts me in for an MRI and sends me home. 2 days later the office calls me and says they have my MRI appointment scheduled on June 26...NINE...countem canada...countem britain...countem france...NINE DAYS I am getting my MRI.
No socialist medical system...I REPEAT NO SOCIALIZED SYSTEM ON EARTH can do that. Only in the USA. I love this health care...I absolutely LOVE IT. And before you canadians just assume I am lying, the truth is you don't have a clue. I know you can't relate to someone getting seeing a specialist and getting a full MRI for a very mild, and non-disabling condition, you probably don't believe its possible.
But it is possible. Its called AMERICA
Schottis at 2007-06-21 02:33 CET:
From my point of wiew (I'm from Sweden btw) it's really interresting to see how you just "swallow" all this propaganda/nosence, and think that it really is great.
But it's not very strange that you like it the way it is (the ones that accually do), cause you raised and told that it is a great system. Just the same way as with everything else. Almost all people are conservative when it comes to certain matters, but sometimes change could be a good thing.
After watching this film it's really hard to think that universal healthcare can't be good. Michael Moore even said something that was quoted in a national swedish newspaper, something like this: "Everything that's good with Universal Healthcare comes from Scandinavia."
Another thing... Why is it a bad thing to pay taxes?
Of course you can get an insurance company to pay your hospital visits for treating your heart-desease (for which you'd need a transplant and more really expensive help), but it's most unlikely. OR.. You could instead pay a few bucks a month and save not only your own life but also others...
As they say;
"One for ALL, and ALL for One"
MorganPain at 2007-06-21 02:55 CET:
Freddy85: what are you talking about? I`m a norwegian aswell and you`re taking a sh*t on, probably, the best healthsystem on earth. You know you can choose whatever hospital in Norway you want to be treated in? Ask to be transferred to a hospital without queue(wich are plenyfull). Travel expences are covered fully by the gov. all your lazy ass have to do is make a phonecall to your local healthcenter. You can also change your doctor as often as you like.
And; like the title implies - its called sick(not seek). You`re 22(if I concluded right according to your name), and should know by now..
Free school, college/university(actually you get money for avery passed exam), free dental up to 20 yrs and if you are unemployed, free hospital, everyone gets a pension from the gov..
Norway 4 U
MorganPain at 2007-06-21 03:05 CET:
BTW, all you americans: Your stinking country owes my country(Norway) a f**k load of money. I want them back, so take the doughnuts out of your pieholes and start paying some taxes. I dont need them, it just bothers me. YA HEARD? Dont just sit there! OFF YOU GO!
MorganPain at 2007-06-21 03:11 CET:
US-peeps: your country owes my country(Norway) a lot of bling. Or in Your language - you could buy millions of doughnuts and freedom-fries for that kind of money. I want it back mmkay? off you go to pay taxes. C`mon!
We dont need it or anythong, it just bothers us.
marshill at 2007-06-21 03:21 CET:
"From my point of wiew (I'm from Sweden btw) it's really interresting to see how you just "swallow" all this propaganda/nosence, and think that it really is great. "
How is getting a full MRI in 9 days for a NON-DISABLING injury propoganda? If you call your crap system where you wouldn't even GET AN MRI for mild knee pain "good" then it is YOU who has been sold to propoganda.
here is the hard, cold fact.
I get my MRI for mild knee pain in 9 days
You show symptoms of MS, and you still don't get an MRI for 6 months...if you're lucky.
I see specialist within days for virtually anything
You would be lucky to see one in a year, unless you were perceived to be critically ill, and even then you would be waiting in a big line for surgery.
I absolutely love my system. Ill have my MRI done and reviewed by my specialist by the time you even get your "general" doctors appointment.
marshill at 2007-06-21 03:22 CET:
this is what it all comes down to my socialist friends.
I get MRI in days
You dont.
its as simple as that. period.
marshill at 2007-06-21 03:27 CET:
ahh almost forgot. For this wonderful US healthcare system where I get an MRI in days and see any specialist in days...I also pay
ZERO state income tax (washington state)...8.5% sales tax, and 22% federal tax. Haha. You socialists....I get to keep my money...you dont. I get MRI...you dont. I see specialists very quickly...you dont.
I'm loving it. You are envious of us. Thats why the US has so many mexicans, germans, french, japanese, east indian, chinese, africans....every race on earth is in abundance in the US. People from all over europe, south america, asia....all people groups here.
You Europeans have....radical muslims...LOL...hope you enjoy them. Keep letting in all those Islamofacists and enjoy dealing with fatwas and sharia law demands. Simple point, ppl still come to america. WHo goes to Europe, except muslim maniacs?
brahtupcy at 2007-06-21 04:12 CET:
marshill
nobody is envious of you or your country. Pull your head out of your ass. Every city has a mixture of races, however, most countries have less rednecks and trailer parks.
I am from Canada and would much rather go to Europe than the states.
jdbidwell at 2007-06-21 04:57 CET:
No video
stix 5150 at 2007-06-21 04:59 CET:
born in the USA and proud of it.
Steel Pulse at 2007-06-21 07:31 CET:
wow, there are some of the stupidest f**kin comments in here.... for everyone
noir.na at 2007-06-21 08:44 CET:
People see someone with some extreme opinions like Michael Moore and either feel the need to completely agree or just disregard everything because he's trying to push his own agenda. Fact is, extremists are the ones who get heard by the most people. Why can't people watch something like this, take what they will and leave the rest?
I think it's even more unfortunate that conversation on an important subject like health care degrades to a pi**ing contest over whose country has better health care. Yeah, as Americans we pay less in federal taxes than socialist countries for health care. However, when all is said and done with all of our out of pocket expenses, we pay a lot more than many other countries for our health care. There's a reason so many people order their scripts online from Canada. There's a reason some people only take half of what they're prescribed to make their prescription last longer. Sadly, if Americans (myself included) are financially stable enough to pay all our health care bills or simply don't have any, we don't bother to think of those who are struggling to pay for their blood pressure medication or the family's who have an unforseen medial emergency and are dealing with a collections agency from the hospital for years and years. Compare health care systems all you want, doesn't change the fact that our system is f**ked up and a lot of our citizens are getting left behind.
raadden at 2007-06-21 09:57 CET:
Lol! that was the funniest comments ive ever read.. especially marshill what a retard haha
ikerhoek at 2007-06-21 10:20 CET:
Suddenly living in Mexico doesn't look so bad after all. Further more, Cuba looks just promising.
Maybe americans should start thinking about emigration instead of us about immigration.
Your ship is sinking, along with your american dream.
svyl at 2007-06-21 10:39 CET:
viggos200 you can confirm it all you like it's still not true.
marshill i'm glad you're happy with your system. i wouldn't want to take it away from you if
you like it. but unfortunatly for you, you sound like a stupid toothless hick with an inferiority complex. What's your problem with Europe really? Is it because your countrys importance is declining and its economy is struggeling? Would you feel better if everyone else had hold daddy americas hand and beg for money all the time? Do you seriously believe the waiting periods here are that long? It must be so horrible for you to hear now that they're not. We get our MRIs as fast as you do, and we don't have to pawn all our belongings to get one. Why on earth would we be envious of you? What do you have that we don't except for an enormous amount of fat people? Maybe a stuck up attitude. Well the french have that too i guess. Trailer trash - we don't have that- and we're SO jealous. please send some of them so we too can enjoy the american dream. Do you think there are no americans here? Millions of americans live in Europe, the migration go both ways you twat. The muslims in western Europe amount like 2-3% of the total population. Only slightly higher than in the USA. It's a pretty minor group really. Everybody wants to come to Europe too, we just send most of them home again ;p
before someone yells "ANTIAMERICANISM!!" i can just right away point out that i don't hate your country and i know very well that most americans are nice people and only those of you who are a**holes like marshill McFatass here should take any offense to my comments ;p
encoded evil at 2007-06-21 12:38 CET:
subtitles?
long live the belgian care system tbh :)
hunter1980 at 2007-06-21 12:44 CET:
@encoded evil: Belgian Healthcare s*cks and thats the only one in Europe that s*cks so much.
All I know is that in Belgian Healtg care system pays 75 %, then the rest is paid by people.
f**k BELGIUM, f**kING SCUMBAGS
encoded evil at 2007-06-21 14:25 CET:
@hunter1980
u don't know what you're talking about
go home troll
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-21 16:58 CET:
While other countries build fences to keep their citizens IN, the United States has to build fences to keep people OUT. If the U.S. is such a bad place to live; why then are there so many people willing to risk life and limb to get in here illegally -- and so many willing to immigrate legally as well?
If all of those who are defending their country's socialized health care systems were correct; wouldn't there be a dearth of Americans trying to immigrate there -- and wouldn't there already be a vast number of Americans who already have immigrated there?
The sheer fact that we are getting all of your dissidents, and you are getting none of ours, should indicate whose system is the worst and why so many are fleeing that system.
As for those of you who hate the U.S., it is likely hatred born of jealousy for our wealth, prosperity, geographical wonders, agriculture, and, yes, our political and health systems.
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-21 17:16 CET:
http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_page=media_08feb2006_e
Growth in the number of MRI scanners in both hospitals and free-standing facilities
The number of MRI scanners in free-standing imaging facilities, which are mainly privately funded, increased from 15 in 2001 to 28 in 2005. During that same period, the number of MRI scanners in hospitals, which are mainly publicly funded, went up from 115 to 148. As of January 2005, 16% of MRI scanners were in free-standing imaging facilities.
So in ALL OF CANADA there are 176 MRI machines.
http://www.mmaonline.net/Publications/MNMed2007/February/feature-gordon.cfm
Data from the Minnesota Department of Health, which keeps track of capital expenditures for projects totaling more than $1 million, show that from 1993 to 2006, providers in the state purchased 173 new MRI scanners, 171 CT scanners, and 16 PET scanners.
The entire country of Canada has only three more MRI machines than the entire state of Minnesota which shares its border.
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
marshill at 2007-06-21 18:05 CET:
"I am from Canada and would much rather go to Europe than the states. "
Why do so many Canadians go to the Mayo clinic? Canadians are the Mayo clinic's #1 international customer. On average, most canadians know someone who has gone to the Mayo clinic to pay OUT OF POCKET for health care far and away superior to what they get in Canada.
Canadian health system blows. I live there, and it s*cks bad
marshill at 2007-06-21 18:07 CET:
In vancouver, BC, there is ONE MRI for the whole city (downtown area) of nearly a million people. I lived 3 years in canada, and dam it was good to get out.
marshill at 2007-06-21 18:08 CET:
"So in ALL OF CANADA there are 176 MRI machines."
this is a true statement, and is the reason why it is in indesputable fact that the average wait time for an MRI is several months, often 6 months or longer.
marshill at 2007-06-21 18:11 CET:
"The muslims in western Europe amount like 2-3% of the total population"
Lets narrow this down my socialist spinner. In france they are 10%. In Britain, Mohammad will be the #1 name given to boys by next year. Enjoy your muslims. Keep that gate wide open, let them roll in like a mighty river. ENjoy your european dream.
brahtupcy at 2007-06-21 19:43 CET:
BlackDahlia & Marshill
You are living proof that a large percentage of americans have low IQ's and its ROFLOL funnny that you guys buy into your government. You believe everything you government tells you, and they just keep spankin you on it.
You guys are just upset that the economic state of the US is sinking like a rock and that the global concenious is that the US is a breeding ground for inbread, toothless rednecks, who love guys and glorify violence. Just admit it, your govenrnemnt might be voted in, but your living under a dictatorship, infact most of the world lives under your dictatorship. The sh*tty forgign policy of the states affects us all globally. Soon china will be the worlds number one world power and the Candian dollor will surpass the american one by the end of summer, LOL (without our oil, water, and gas the US couldn't function).
Its so funny, america is so great yet with a 500 billion dollar military budget financed by deficit spending and massive debt, the military can't even control a third world country like iraq? You've got an inflated sense of the US's power and importance. it's an empire in rapid decline, that's obvious to anyone who's watching.
brahtupcy at 2007-06-21 19:48 CET:
*edit*
US is a breeding ground for inbread, toothless rednecks, who love GUNs and glorify violence.
LOL - guns not guys
marshill at 2007-06-21 20:47 CET:
brahtupcy:
You can say what you want about the United States...a place comrpised solely of other races from all around the world (there is no such thing as a race "american").
In the end, I get my MRI in 9 days for mild, non-disabling, knee pain. You don't.
ANd I don't pay a dime. Its all covered in my insurance.
marshill at 2007-06-21 20:53 CET:
"but your living under a dictatorship,"
rofl. I guess thats why I can look out my window and see groups of people spewing anti-bush hate any day of the week. I guess thats why BUsh has no power to do anything about his own citizens calling him every name in the book. Compared to castro, chavez and similar ilk, where citizens have no right to protest their leaders.
You are not very intelligent. You have too much hate to speak rationally. And, btw, I own 3 guns. a FN-FAL (canadian made), a Glock 27, and a Smith & Wesson Ladysmith. I also own a crossbow with a scope. so dont bring ur socialist ass around my property! haha.
Muslims wont be dumping sharia law anytime soon in the US...but you'll be enjoying it soon enough. How are all those muslims in your country working out for ya? Mohammad the #1 name yet?
Love it!!
svyl at 2007-06-21 20:57 CET:
marshill Doesn't it tire you out to have absolutely no knowledge of Europe at all? Nobody knows how many they are in France my little fatty, not even a mighty american like you. It's illegal in France to register anyone on base on ethnicity or religion - no survey has therefor ever been made. They are expected to be somewhere around 5-9% though and that's by far the largest amount of muslims in any western country so that's the extreme. In the UK they are at 2-3%. Do you think mohammed is an unusual name in USA? Think again. It's tradition in muslim families to name the first born son after their childmolester of a prophet, making it unusually common since us humans don't name all our babies the same. Even so, it's an exaggeration to claim it's the most common name in britain. It probably is the most common name in certain ghetto districts in London and Birmingham, but not in the UK as a whole.
marshill at 2007-06-21 21:01 CET:
svyl does it tire you to have no knowledge of Europe?
Mohammed currently #2 boys name in UK, expected to be #1 by next year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1890354.ece
Bobba82 at 2007-06-21 21:08 CET:
LOL
that a commentery list... im from and live in Sweden and i work in Norway... I dont get this medical bullsh*T... I dont think any one is happiy thit anything... we all want better! I think sweden have preety good health system... US i dont thow anything about so i wont say anything... Im preety wasted now.... But Sweden rocks, Norway not so bad, US i know better next sommer...
marshill at 2007-06-21 21:11 CET:
I dont know why so many europeans hate americans. Americans are simply people from every country on earth. my great grandparents came from denmark. half of US citizens are from Europe.
marshill at 2007-06-21 21:14 CET:
Here is a little treat for you Brahtupcy. I could put in my glock27 for you if you want. Thats a FN-FAL in there (canadian made...thanks canada for the assault weapon)
sTroider at 2007-06-21 21:16 CET:
I just feel extremly sorry for those so called americans like marshill. I know for sure they dont represent more then a very small part of USA and Im very happy about that.
While you got your MRI most probably 5-10 ppl who couldnt afford their insurance or got declined by their insurancecompany to get healthcare died or got damaged for life just so YOU could get your not important, not serius kneeinjury taken care off. And that, my dear Marshill is the big difference between us and you.
We simply care more about thoose 5-10 ppl then we care about your knee.
But if you enjoy your ME,ME,ME and ME life, please continue with that. Next time it wont be a building in New York that blows up, it will be a city ( or hopefully your trailorpark ).
marshill at 2007-06-21 21:23 CET:
naa dont feel sorry for me. sTroider. I'm quite happy, its called quality my friend. Make it free, and you lose quality...you gain long lines, you lose diagnostic procedures. While living in Canada, our friend began having spasms in her extremities, the first symptom of MS. After waiting 6 months to see the neurologist, they denied her an MRI or CT scan because her symptoms were not "advanced enough" to warrant the procedure. How pathetic. Goodbye early detection. In the US, she would have seen the neurologist and had the scans all within 2-3 weeks. Give it to all, lose quality for all. You can't have both. Ill take the quality.
Most ppl in the US have some form of health care. And no emergency room will EVER deny someone treatment. its the law
brahtupcy at 2007-06-21 21:42 CET:
Whatever, I am done with this pi**ing match, but it seems that most Americans have a very elitist attitude when considering the rest of the world and tend to be very ignorant regarding many world issues. I have no idea how you let Bush into office, and then elect him again. Most of my animosity is placed at the government level because they feed the public sh*T, which just eats it up as the truth. In a few decades when world power has changed maybe your minds will to, but i doubt it.
Also, Michael Moore has interesting insights but his biases are obvious as well.
marshill at 2007-06-21 21:58 CET:
im very happy in the US. what is your goal? do you want the US to be like Europe? Would that make you happy? Seriously. what do you want with the US? Should we bow to the almighty (and antisemitic) UN? The UN is as corrput as any political body on earth.
I voted Bush, but I dont like him anymore. He has some serious problems on immigration and the war is too expensive.
But I definitely Love america. I *dont want* to be like Europe. The US is the last...the very last...real capitalist republic on earth. the rest of the world is either socialist (in varying degrees), communist, dictatorial, anarchist (ruled by faction such as nigeria), or theocratic (muslim countries).
Since socialism is so widespread, why try to change the last remaining capitalist republic on earth? At least there are options left in the world. If you want 70% taxes and socialized medicine, immigrate to sweden. if you want to live around flaming muslims and anti-semitism, move to France. if you want to keep the money you earn, pay little in tax, and have the freedom to pursue your own goals in life without government interferrence, move to the US.
oh and dont forget, in the US we get to own guns...i love it.
Shipwrecked at 2007-06-21 22:05 CET:
Don't wanna get pulled into this one but, marshill, why don't you stop replying to these comments.
Don't you realise that everything that comes out your mouth puts another nail into the belief that all Americans are bigoted rednecks?
You're moaning that everyone hates America when ppl like yourself breed the differences in what is supposed to be the "Human Race". Not to get too deep and sh*T. oh btw, when I fractured both my arms it got sorted and I didn't pay sh*T! Insurance? Ha!
=0p
Lester_Diamond at 2007-06-21 22:08 CET:
No matter what your opinion of the subject matter is, this movie is boring as Hell. "Bowling for Columbine" is a much better movie, IMHO.
LD
marshill at 2007-06-21 22:45 CET:
i own guns. does that make me a redneck?
marshill at 2007-06-21 22:48 CET:
"when I fractured both my arms it got sorted and I didn't pay sh*T!"
someone paid, believe me. if it wasn't you, (meaning you are jobless), then others who are working for a living are paying for it in eggregious taxes.
i pay only 22% tax on every dime I make, and 8.5% sales tax for non-food items I purchase (food items = no tax)
and i dont pay for my MRI either. and i dont need a fracture to see a specialist. i see a specialist just cuz i have vague symtpoms.
Stahle at 2007-06-22 00:10 CET:
No one has to pay for MRI in Sweden. I pay 30% tax and i get free health care and stuff like that. Lowest crime rate in world. Im happy :)
marshill at 2007-06-22 02:52 CET:
"I pay 30% tax and i get free health care"
dont forget your 25% VAT tax in addition to the 30% you pay
Easy_4 at 2007-06-22 03:15 CET:
Nice crossbow :)
stix213 at 2007-06-22 05:18 CET:
I'm so sick of Europeans talking up their social programs like they are the end all solution to the world's problems. It must be nice to spend all of your taxes on social programs instead of to protect your country, seeing that all of western europe is under the protection of the United States. America spends more money on defense than all other countries on the planet combined so you don't have to. We don't ask for anything in return. We don't even ask that you like us or our government - half of our people don't like our government either.
You all are allowed to hate us, talk sh*T about us, tell everyone we are the worst people in the world... But Americans are and always will be the first to line up to die for YOUR rights and freedoms. We have done it plenty of times before, and will certainly be called to do it again. When the muslim hords eventually take your "hospitality" for granted and use your liberal policies against you, don't worry.... As usual we will still be there to help.
With so many communities in the UK already living under shariah law by "choice," muslim riots in the streets of France, and with your muslim neighbors in the middle east on the verge of a regional blood bath... It looks like you will need our help sooner rather than later.
The muslim religous fundamentalists aren't coming to your countries for the free health care. They actually believe that god has put them on a long term mission to exterminate the infidel - ie you and your families. The more you open your arms to them, the weaker they see you... And they know from experience that the strong will always defeat the weak.
geohount at 2007-06-22 06:54 CET:
I'm sorry stix213, but what you just said was complete bullsh*T... I was on our side once like you are now, all this propaganda just doesn't make sense anymore, I heard so many people talking about america saving europe so many times, I'm pretty sick of it, do you really know what our ancestors have done for europe? They came to harvest France when everything was over, the Army of the Third Reich got defeated in Russia month ago when we landed in the normandie, everything what our army did was to shoot around a bit, telling everybody that we're awesome and to take all they could find.
Do you have any clue what would have happened when the Japanese would have attacked Pearl Harbor with nuclear bombs like we did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? There would be no more Hawaii... in fact there would be no east coast anymore because the Japanese would have invaded the US like Hitler invaded France.
All I've ever heard from people around here is that the muslims are so dangerous and that they are going to kill all of us if we don't do anything against it!
Do you really think that one day a muslim got out of bed and thought that today is a nice day to hate americans? People don't get aggressive without a reason! There is not a single word about the fact that we wanted the oil and our leaders (not the goverment) just didn't want to pay for it, we shot muslims long before they attacked us!
And now there are we, consuming meat from mexico and argentinia, just so we can get fatter every day, drinking water out of Canada because our water is so full of toxic waste (because we need our SUVs, the gas for that one is right on it's way but it has to be cheap of course!!!) and writing stupid crap on our fancy computers (made in China, chips out of Japan) about how much the rest of the world owns us for being fat bastards without a single clue what's going on around here!
Yeah dude, we're cool because we have awesome guns!!! Sorry to spoil your dreams buddy but when Russia makes mobile against US we don't stand a single chance because our troops are busy shooting children in Iraq and selling guns to underaged in Africa just that we can stuff cheap crap down our thoats.
I don't want anybody to like muslims nor do I think it is a good idea to let them live next to you, but one thing is for sure; we should start to think, everybody, if we should listen to all that propaganda or if there is a bit more behind all that...
lionandaries at 2007-06-22 08:40 CET:
They have the guns, but we have the numbers.
0n1n3 at 2007-06-22 13:14 CET:
shut the f**k up. stupid euros arent much f**king better. always ready to kill each other. you think youre some f**king angel? Who the f**k do you sell out to? How much did you pay for your plastic dream? Who the f**k are you to judge us? If you really want to talk about percentages 77% of us "Americans" do NOT buy into the political bullsh*T, we just choose not to take it seriously. YOU however DO take it seriously and to be honest thats just fine. You can think whatever the f**k you want because in the end youre still a trailer park piece of trash just like anybody else. You aint f**king special so sit the f**k down before your stupid ass gets hurt.
BadboyZ at 2007-06-22 13:53 CET:
Dude the f**k! I so totaly agree with 0n1n3!
Stupid c**ts..
sentone at 2007-06-22 17:50 CET:
Marshall says:
"this is what it all comes down to my socialist friends.
I get MRI in days
You dont.
its as simple as that. period."
Why do you continue to spout utter lies? You just said you live in canada in your last post, but then you live in america in another post. Like I already said and you choose to ignore, I live in montreal and I waited 2 days for an MRI when I was hurt. 2 days. thats it. And I have never met anyone who was hurt and had to wait 6 months just to get an MRI. Almost nothing you have said about canadas health system is true except for the taxes, which is still much lower than what you pay for your healthcare. So Say what you want, and continue to support your health system, but stop making up complete lies about our healthcare to further your agenda.
siccknight at 2007-06-22 18:21 CET:
lmao u can see how ignorant that 77% of america is, 0n1n3 says that 77% does not buy into the politics, then i do not understand how it can be that bush is president, u might be that one person that really dont buy into it, but the other 76,9999999999999 DO. now imo its wrong to say all the americans, the people are good people, the politics is just f**ked up. And what did u mean that we euro's always ready to kill eachother? as far as i know we all just as bad, if u want to judge something, then judge the western society against the eastern cuz thats what it is imo.
-nimgif- at 2007-06-22 19:22 CET:
Ahhh the word "f**k" allways makes you more right. just see how right 0n1n3 is.
oh and btw. US got owned by Cuba even if this is a Micheal Moore movie. :)
FR4NCH1SE at 2007-06-22 19:40 CET:
First Off let me start of by saying this torrent is perfect, download it its great.
Second, I wish I lived anywhere else other than USA if I had a surgery or something wrong with my help. IF you think about it, if you dont have your health you have nothing. And in USA if you dont have money or god forbid health insurance your going to go bankrupt tryint to pay health bills. Which in other countries like England have NONE. No bills, no nothing, yet in USA we have to pay and arm and a finger... Literally ROFL.
This is a strong movie the best from Micheal Moore and should be watched by all americans.
Here is to my first post of many.
Caribbeangreetings at 2007-06-22 19:54 CET:
GREAT UP LOAD!!!!!!!! THXS!! And boy I'm happy to live in the caribbean in the Dutch Antilles! We're well taken care of. Good luck to the poor in the states. Caribbeangreetings,
unsui at 2007-06-23 02:07 CET:
Oi, how about those puny no pubic little bastard americanos eh ? They, of course feel this. He he he!!! That country is going to hell , and quick. No bombs needed :-D, they manage it all by by themselves :-)
Ha ha ha. Vote for Bush.... yeah ? hahahah and people, they DID !!!
Stupid f**kers, let them have it. Bring out the sh**.
unsui at 2007-06-23 02:08 CET:
Sorry, i forgot to write "dude" in every second sentence (try spelling that you puny little f**kers. Get a healthcare. Get a life. Move to canada ?
Ha ha h ha
svyl at 2007-06-23 03:16 CET:
marshill from the article you provided yourself it states "Overall, Muslims account for 3 per cent of the British population, about 1.5 million people". I rest my case :) I stand corrected with the thing about the name then. But again, the reason it's so popular is because they pretty much name all their sons mohammed.
sTroider at 2007-06-23 10:35 CET:
Who gives a sh*T about muslims in Brittian anyways? Its not like they bombing in London.
I know alot of people who are what you guys call muslims. They belive in Allah and the prophet Mohammed. Not a single one of thoose I know has ever liked or listened to Jihadmovements or simular fanatics.
Same as most americans are good, nice and perfectly sane, muslims are. The ones killing people for whatever reason are fanatics with more or less no support from the "regular" muslims.
In christianity we also have fanatics, just look at northern Ireland, Jehovas, Chatolic childabusers and so on. There are also alot of terrorists who not are muslims, Oklahoma bomber for example, so judge a whole world religion for something that a very little part of fanatics done is at least imo wrong.
Plako at 2007-06-23 10:41 CET:
I hate when Americans speak europeans as a one group of people. That is not true, I am a Finn but also an european and yet I prefer to be spoke as a Finn. There is so meny differences between europeans that its stupid to speak us as a group.
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-23 16:57 CET:
brahtupcy,
A: A person of low IQ would be someone who is unable to discern that both of the links I gave are NOT government links.
B: An inbred, toothless person of low IQ would be the type of person who would not know how to punctuate, capitalize, or spell simple words, including his own country, like "consensus" (concenious), inbred (inbread), you're (your), in fact (infact), foreign (forgign), China (china), world's (worlds), Cadian (Candian), dollar (dollor), American (american), America (america). [note that I didn't include obvious keystroke errors, of which there were many]
You can make all of the ad homs and insults you desire but that does not change the facts. Your healthcare system s*cks out loud and the citizens of your country -- present company excepted -- know that.
BlackDahlia at 2007-06-23 17:12 CET:
"Who gives a sh*T about muslims in Brittian anyways? Its not like they bombing in London."
I certainly hope that comment was tongue-in-cheek or you are totally bereft of knowledge of this event just last year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4694069.stm
FACT CHECK: 7/7 was a COVERT OP!! http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2007/06/london-bombings-on-july-7th-2005.html
svyl at 2007-06-23 19:06 CET:
sTroider you're wrong it was "british" muslims who did the bombings. It's also quite ignorant to claim that jihad and terror and genocide tendencies is a minority in islam. they're not. that basically is the only thing islam is about. our politically correct media always tell us that islam is the religion of peace (HAHAHAHAHA) and that it's a very small number of muslims who are terrorists and criminals. Of course that's a load of crap, all of us who have read the koran or have ever met a muslim knows that is just a lie so the poor terrorists don't have to feel targetted by our media when they kill our children. terror and childmolestation is in the core of islam. if most muslims are so nice then how is it that nobody on this planet has ever met a "moderate" muslim? i really urge you to read up on islam. it will shock you what your muslim "friends" believe in and think of you. moderate muslims simply do not exist. it's just like claiming there are moderate hitlerloving nazis. islam is an evil mental illness that ought to be permanently removed from the civilized world.
sTroider at 2007-06-23 20:02 CET:
Thats just bullsh*T tbh. Most muslims are totally ok ppl who dont wanna kill anyone or anything.
I havent read the khoran fully but read some parts, and Im not a islamlover or anything like that, I read it to be able to tell muslims they are f**ked up. But after a study I did in uni were I intervjued around 50 muslims in the area I live and looked in crimestatistic I found that muslims are not any worse then christians or ppl from any other religion.
Islam is 1 of the biggest religions in the world and the majority of muslims are as peaceful as you and me.
sTroider at 2007-06-23 20:06 CET:
And bombs. How many bombs have christians set off in Belfast last 30 years? But I guess that makes all christians killing machines aswell.
svyl at 2007-06-23 20:30 CET:
sTroider you're wrong and a liar. islam is terror in itself and you would know that if you had even the basic knowledge of islam. you clearly don't have any at all. you probably haven't heard of the islamic term taqiyya which basically is an islamic law that tells muslims to lie to the "infidels" to protect islam. You have not read the crime statistics, BRÅ has made very few of those. When immigrants were found to be responsible for so many crimes, they stopped releasing such reports in the name of political correctness. i think they recently made another one, i haven't read it but i'm sure it says something like "no immigrant ever commit crimes" from pressure from our old fascist government. One only need to look at countries where such figures are NOT hidden to realize how many crimes they actually commit. Norway has released such statistics for example, i'm not surprised any of our media "forgot" to report on it considering it was NOT happy reading for the muslimlovers. What about Bombs in Beirut? it was a bloody war ffs. which the muslims, as always, started. Even so you cannot possibly mean that few isolated incidents can compare to the systematic terrorism on a massive scale that come from muslims. no religion produce and encourage so many terrorists as islam. When the rare thing as a non-muslim terrorist attack happens, the outpour of condemnation and grief is felt all through our societies. When a muslim blows up school children, the muslims dance on the streets with joy. They are barbaric non-human scum the lot of them. We should simply deport anyone who is a muslim back to their radioactive desert and stop sending them food aid. they're unproductive povertystricken and insane they cannot produce anything at all except terror, they would starve within a week.
ran3in at 2007-06-23 21:25 CET:
This film is a ride that takes you through so many emotions Disgust, anger, pride (well i'm British) and happiness to name but a few. Although MM is incapable of telling two sides of a story this is one i believe doesn't have two sides most of the rebuttals i have read on the interweb focus on the time that so called socialist medical systems take to see their patients a very true fact but MM did not make this film to say a socialist system is better for everybody but that it would help those who your hospitals simply and very literally (as seen in the film) throw out onto the street with no compassion. This is not the usual one sided I am right argument we get from Moore it is one that fails to have another side i simply cannot see how waiting many weeks in a clean hospital environment and being looked after 24/7 is worse than being dumped in a cab and taken to the nearest clinic because a hospital realizes it can't make a profit from your sickness..........
I quote from the Hippocratic Oath
"Never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest."
All in all this is the best MM film ever made and defiantly worth watching.
ran3in at 2007-06-23 21:41 CET:
Oh and i have to add to the off topic discussion on terror
Firstly the word Jihad had been dead for MANY MANY years until it was res erected by members of the CIA to encourage Muslims to fight communism.
Secondly Christianity has started the same amount of violence if not more than Islam look at the crusades or as previously mentioned the disputes in Northern Ireland.
It is probably true that Immigrants cause alot of crime but if you look at others in the same position i.e. no job, house, education or prospects them i am sure you will find the statistics even out. People who have those things harbor far less need to commit crimes as the things they would be stealing or stealing to appropriate are already within their reach. Since when did immigrants have anything to with terror anyway? May i remind you that many of the London bombers were in fact British citizens born and bred in this country.
I would also like to point out that invading a country is not a war on terror it is just a war no more no less.
I struggle to believe that the American government would consider using military force on the Hague if Mr Bush was indited for war crimes, if that doesn't say something to you about Americas complete lack of respect for the rule of law then I guess you just another brainwashed American.
/rant off
sorry but i cannot tolerate blindly racist people such as many of the above posters
papadrew at 2007-06-23 21:58 CET:
This documentary was AMAZING and gave me true hope that for HUMANITY, meaning that there are good people out there and not every country or people only care about money.
This review pretty much says it all:
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/blog/2007/06/sicko_review.html
svyl at 2007-06-23 23:35 CET:
ran3in blablabla. denying it wont really change reality. jihad a dead word? lol. right. of course it's the evil americans fault. all of it. i don't really care if you call me a racist, the extremely politically correct people think everything is racist. you're not supposed to comment on the vile things written in the koran and when they behead people - we must understand and tolerate their culture etc. it's not true that their crime rates have anything to do with the fact they're useless pigs who only know how to leech welfare. If it was so, then why aren't the westerners who are poor commit so many crimes? if you claim the westerners who are poor commit crimes on the same levels as the immigrants, you're either blind or a liar. christians have not come even close to the atrocities the muslims have done. in india alone they slaughtered approximately 100 million when they invaded. 100 million people! not even hitler managed such numbers. such conflicts as in northern ireland you can count on one hand. 90% of the ongoing wars in the world involve muslims. go figure. you seem to be forgetting that the muslims had invaded the land themselves, it's not like they were innocent victims in the crusades. the muslims have a world record in ethnic cleansing and it's continuing to this day. slavery is still common practice in arabia. they are simply barbaric monkeys and i seriously don't consider their lives to be worth anything. if they want to keep living in their psychotic dream, fine, but they're not welcome here in the nice and sane part of the world. those hyperleftists who seem to love these terrorists so much can seek asylum in saudi arabia and see how lovely they are.
flippers at 2007-06-24 00:15 CET:
@ 0n1n3
"77% of us "Americans" do NOT buy into the political bullsh*T, we just choose not to take it seriously"
Well, that's the problem ain't it..? If you DID take it seriously, then WE would take YOU seriously, Bush wouldn't be president, and in the end- everyone would be happy ;-)
Ps: For your information: Trailer park trash is an american phenomena, nobody lives in trailer parks over here. But I'm sure you knew that, you'll obviously both well-educated and quite a globetrotter ;-)
fhakoff at 2007-06-24 00:21 CET:
Americans are stupid. Muslims are f**ked in the head. Europeans are cocky. Australians are bigots. Arabs are dirty. Blacks are not whites. Indians are dumbs. Russians are killers. Bla bla bla. I tell you what. Shut the f**k up and download your sh*T. And f**k you all you losers who think they know something and trying to prove their wit with their pathetic comments.
PS. Did I say Americans are stupid? Really!
sTroider at 2007-06-24 01:32 CET:
Sounds like you been assraped by someone with the koran under his arm Svyl.
Muslims arent innocent but they arnt all terrorists as you try to prove :)
The mainproblem is that we (europeans, americans) always tend to stick our noses where we dont belong. It started with the crusades, the colonization in between, and it still going on in form as war against terrorism with Mr Bush in the lead. (And god forbid, it has nothing to do with oil).
So if we just let other ppl mind their own backyard they probably wont hurt us. If we try to tell em what to do and by force make them obey our words they will probably pay back. Still its a VERY small % of the muslims who do actions like this, so you cant really blame everyone of them.
And when you say immigrants, they are all muslims I take it? Most immigrants coming to sweden comes from old Yogoslavia, Turkey and the middleeast. Most of them are Ortodox christians, catolics or protestantic chritians. A very small amount of them are muslims.
svyl at 2007-06-24 19:02 CET:
sTroider i simply know more about islam than you do. sorry if that is annoying. rule number one, if you're gonna try to defend a vile terrorist cult then the least you should do is to be educated enough about it to know what lies work the best. it's hard defending islam with facts, since all facts speak against you. Yes they are all terrorists you dimwit, islam IS terrorism. it's simple logic. what do you call followers of terrorism? I'm so tired of selfhating westerners who feel bad over the fact that we're the most advanced society on the planet. it's not our fault the rest are barbarians. the muslims were the invading forces in the crusades, they were not innocent, i don't care how many muslims got killed they had it coming. as i've already stated, the muslims hold the world record in ethnic cleansing and genocides, i know it must pi** you off since you wish all us evil westerners were responsible for all evil in the world. I really don't care if the iraq was is about oil or not, it's important to take the civilized side in wars against muslims, Sweden should have joined the coalition of the willing in my opinion. It's not a very small number of muslims who are terrorists it's a huge number. and most of the others are supporters of terrorists but too chicken to do anything themselves. Did you drop out of high school? How can you claim most people in the middle east and turkey are mainly christians? former yugoslavia also have buttloads of muslims in bosnia, macedonia and kosovo. yes most immigrants in sweden are not muslims, because most of our immigrants come from our neighbouring countries. Half a million finns alone, like 80.000 norwegians and almost as many danes. many germans and americans too. they're typically very well integrated, since their cultures are pretty much the same as ours anyway. it is the arabs and also to some extent the eastern europeans who are the problem. when was the last time someone was robbed by a gang of ghetto-norwegians? the muslims are the main problem. they should be removed from our country. the majority here do not like them, that's simply a fact. Us swedes were found to have the most negative opinions of muslims in all of the EU. I was totally proud of that :)
randomguy12 at 2007-06-24 19:10 CET:
Enough with the political commentary... let's have some comments on the video/audio quality of the film.
I downloaded it and would say it is better than any cam or TS. It is about DVD screener quality and is not widescreen. Audio is great, not fuzzy.
Amazing quality for such an early release. (it's nto even in cinemas yet)
sTroider at 2007-06-24 19:45 CET:
I didnt claim most of middleeastppl are christians. I claimed most immigrants coming to sweden are.
And give me ONE good reason why we should put our noose into every confict in the world (where we have an economic reason to interfer). Its not like we doing it to preserve human rights or helping anyone. Well, we try to help ourselfs perhaps.
So. Hope you and your racists friend continue to inbreed so you can preserve your pure retarded race.
svyl at 2007-06-25 00:41 CET:
Fine i'll give you one good reason. They're subhuman swines with a severe mental illness(islam). We need to keep them caged in their deserts and stop letting them in to the civilized part of the world. But it's a stupid question considering you and i both know that our country, Sweden, has not been in a war for 200 years. We never did anything to these disgusting savages. We owe these pigs nothing, doesn't matter how much Lars Ohly or Jan Guillou try to tell you otherwise.
ps. hope you didn't expect me to take offense by being called a racist. You people on the ultra-extreme left have used it so much that it doesn't even mean anything anymore. If you don't want to wear a burka or a bloody turban you're insensitive against the poor immigrants feelings and the worst kind of racist known to mankind. boo-hoo. i say f**k the commies and f**k the muslims, both of them are incapable of running a society and have to BEG the people they hate to save them all the time. utterly pathetic. you can yell "xenophobia" and "intolerance" all you like, fact of a matter is that your opinion is in a MINORITY in Sweden. If this doesn't suit you, you're free to move to the heaven on earth; Saudi Arabia. Bon voyage!
randomguy12 you're right im sorry this has gone way out of hand, this film isn't even about those disgusting paedophile-loving muslims. as i've already commented on the quality of the film this will be my final post on this torrent.
arhimihai at 2007-06-25 06:07 CET:
wow the US is like Rome...too bad
hunter1980 at 2007-06-25 20:26 CET:
Is this movie about Muslims?
@sTroider: I really don't understand your logic. You claim that Christians from Mideast are coming to Sweden because they're oppressed from Muslims?
That's Bulls**t, I'm sure that you can explain why so many Swedes emigrate to USA, Canada, UK etc?????
Is it because Swedish (non-Evangelical) Baptists and Jehovah are immigrating to USA?
http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/International/nyhetssidor/artikel.asp?ProgramID=2054&Nyheter=&artikel=1444789
http://www.svd.se/ ( I don?t know Swedish since I'm Danish, but it?s possible to find information that actually confirms that 45.000 Swedes emigrate to another nation.
maxkill at 2007-06-25 21:07 CET:
9/11 was inside job by usa. in order to attack the muslim countries without any roadblocks they needed to make the people hate the muslims --> 9/11 inside job, see Loose Change (and f**k screw loose change it doesn't even explain why wtc7 collapsed!!! just another attept to descept the ppl! Truth will provail!! =)
Tior at 2007-06-25 22:05 CET:
it doesn't f**king work for me it's f**king screw up
john999000 at 2007-06-26 03:00 CET:
Good working copy.
laymeee at 2007-06-26 19:17 CET:
MORE STUPID LIES FROM MOOREON.....For a fat ass that bitches about AMERICA he sure makes a hell of a living on RETARDS that follow him and believe his LIES....EVERY movie this asswipe has made has Been BULS**T LIES that only RETARDS could ever believe...To each there own I guess but this guy should have a movie done on him, this guy would really be pi**ed if the truth got out about himself and the fact that he came from a well to do family in Flint, NEVER WORKED A REAL DAY OF REAL WORK IN HIS LIFE
maliceson at 2007-06-27 01:36 CET:
didn't work
don't waste yout time downloading
sTuiRtlil09 at 2007-06-27 07:41 CET:
if you dont like america, then go back to mexico and drink your dirty f**king water or go back to your third world country where kids starve everyday.....America isn't perfect but atleast we arent pussy's.....we are bully's and we are better than you so go f**k yourself
goodz at 2007-06-27 12:41 CET:
None of my media players can open this movie? Anyone who know what codec I need... or a good program to watch it with... Thanks for a nice upload Kdorimast....
goodz at 2007-06-27 12:46 CET:
okey... I found it... http://www.free-codecs.com/FFDShow_download.htm
I hope that uploaders give a link to codecs when it is a special one... it would be very useful. But hey... thanks once again for a great upload!!
Muzlumkillah at 2007-06-28 02:30 CET:
People who get their facts from a torrent site are just plain idiots anyway. It's fashionable lately to bust on Americans because losers need someone to blame their problems on. I almost pray for the radical muslims to set off a nuke somewhere just to wake you dumb f**ks up.
blastadaw at 2007-06-28 23:01 CET:
OOOOO how I miss Sovjet Union!! You people we`re so IN CHECK. Now you get all rawdy and wra wra about islam ,komunism and litle Irak.
I don`t see you attacking Kina!! Them motherf**kers are both commies, biggest imigrants in the world and they have nukes....so?
The home of the brave MY ASS!! I can tell you right Muzlumkillah, IF YOU MOTHERF**KERS develop suden taste to come to my Sweden with your big guns, and if I don`t have any other alternative, I would probably blow my self up to, just to take som of you motherf**kers with me!
p.s With your attitude , it`s no wonder you`re scared s**tless....BITCH!!
blastadaw at 2007-06-28 23:17 CET:
f**k islam, f**k christianity, f**k communists and f**k ALL of you fanatic MOTHERF**KERS!!
I saw all of you bitches CRY as soon as the first granade hits the ground! And f**k Michael Moore, that fat bastard!! Like he is going to change something with his so called documentaries?.....
STARTSOMETHING at 2007-06-29 00:04 CET:
Thanks "goodz"
I couldn't get it to play with out that codec
Cheers :)
kazimir22 at 2007-06-29 00:56 CET:
i only got the audio...wtf?
Dutch_Watcher at 2007-06-29 02:05 CET:
I like Michael Moore, although he is american :)
novem212005 at 2007-06-24 03:40 CET:
Well us here in America can thank these dumb white followers of these dumb white men (Bush) who constantly find a way to f**k over their own citizens but still seem to get elected. America is ran by a bunch of greedy white men period! This is exactly why I plan on moving out of this godforsaken racist fascist country. Oh yea good movie too.
IDI_ADMIN at 2007-06-24 06:28 CET:
MARCHILL wrote:
Quote"In the end, I get my MRI in 9 days for mild, non-disabling, knee pain. You don't.
ANd I don't pay a dime. Its all covered in my insurance."
The biggest problem in United States is that you CAN'T get 100% coverage on your medical insurance. Period.
If you have a pre-existing condition, there is not one insurance company that will cover you. Not one.
So if you are born with a bad heart for an example, you totally screwed in the United States.
Come back and brag about your medical insurance when it covers 100%.
halo37253 at 2007-06-29 09:20 CET:
all i got to say is f**k Bush, we need a new leader. This looks like a good movie, but Bush and d*ck are 2 f**k ups.
oxner at 2007-06-29 15:47 CET:
I must say that I am surprised by all people expressing their sick views on this forum. I am Swedish, and as someone else pointed out, we have "socialized" medicine. This means that everyone has the right to free healthcare. And we do pay higher taxes than people in the U.S. but we get a lot for our money. One reason for this could be that we don´t sponsor "crook" states like Israel with billions of dollars. Or the fact that we don´t spend half our national budget on weapons, i.e. sponsor Halliburton and similar companies closely linked to the Bush family.
There is nothing LIBERAL about this film, in the american meaning of the word (i.e. communist). This is how it is. Try watching something else than Fox News. . .
spiit at 2007-06-29 16:16 CET:
yeah, I f**king hate all those, easy manipulated americans. That think they are living the dream, with their burgers and diet coke, watching there doctor phil, the nr 1 problemsolver . FAT F**KS...
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posted by SeaSpot (June 21, 2007 8:50 PM)
I'm so happy you gave this flick a great review. I work in pharmaceutical billing on behalf of Assisted Living patients with Alzheimer's and a variety of other ailments and every day I beat my head against a brick wall when it comes to trying to make sense of their varying "private" insurance plans and try to get them the coverage for the medications their doctors prescribe and which these most vulnerable among us trust are supposed to be covered.
The prescription drug insurance industry is a farce in the USA. There is little relationship between drug costs to the consumer, reimbursement to the pharmacy, and the actual cost of manufacture.
I have been looking forward to this flick ever since MM said he was going to make it and I'm thrilled that my favorite online reviewers are giving it such high recommendations. People really don't know what's going on. You think single payer will lead to rationing? Catch a clue America--rationing is already happening. It's just not happening in a rational way.
posted by Doa766 (June 21, 2007 9:17 PM)
I watched the movie last night and it's great
what's more interesting about it for me is all that is not about health care, that old english man explaining how if you keep the people depressed they won't protest and they will just accept whatever they get and never ask for more, and how the english would revolt to the very idea of not having what they take for granted, and it's utopic in america
and how clear and obvious is that politicians speak against universal health care or socialize medicine not because they have dissenting political or ideological opinions, but because they are being pay for it, it's just sad that people believe them (and that make people responsable for the situation aswell)
and also interesting is how people react to michael moore, of course is easy to criticise him for lots of reason, but who else is doing anything about it? who else is trying to make the least bit of diference?
if you don't like how he says things produce your own movie to make a world a better place
posted by Will (June 22, 2007 11:48 AM)
Look. People do blame all the countries problems on the current administration, but (like this film proves) the problems have been in our government for quite some time now.
Personally, corruption is going to run completely rampant in an age where companies can give money (among other things) to the members of the highest levels of goverment in order to influence their decisions. How is this legal? Why hasn't anybody tried to stop this? This is key, in my opinion.
Recently, Sallie Mae (and other financial aid companies) have come under fire for "paying off" college financial aid counselors, with trips to exotic places and money, all so that they will sell their high interest private loans to students. Now, these companies have lots of lawsuits to deal with as a result of the suffering that they cause to these college students.
Why did I bring this up? Well, if it's not okay for Financial Aid companies to pay off their customers (they pay off members of Congress too, by the way), then why the hell is it okay for ANYONE to pay off members of Congress! These are the people that make our laws! It's a no brainer that things are very fucked up in this country right now.
I just applaud the fact that there are people out there that are trying to stimulate peoples minds and get the message out there like Michael Moore. We need more of this stuff, and it's great that Moore has the reach that he does to be able to release his movies across the Nation. At the very least, it gets people like me and you talking about very important issues.
posted by Doa766 (June 23, 2007 10:32 AM)
another thing about michael moore that seems imposible to understand for some people:
a false friend will always tell that you're doing great, that everything's fine and you should keep it up
but a real friend will tell you the things you're doing wrong even if you don't want to hear it, he won't lie to you and he will try to make you change for the better and that't because he CARES
michael moore cares about his country, so goes out of his way to point out what's wrong with it so it can be corrected before it's too late (if it's not too late already)
but I guess that's too complicated and contradictory for some people
I'm not an american but michael moore is the only american I know about that I would call a patriot
posted by Josh (June 24, 2007 8:40 PM)
William,
You are correct. It is Un-American to say that "if you don't support America, leave it." It totally ignores what makes this country great.posted by Peter Connolly (June 26, 2007 12:34 AM)
I am not an American so please take these comments in this context. Healthwise, the US is looked at as the most dangerous country in the world to visit as a tourist - not because you are any more likely to get sick - but because the slightest injury could bankrupt you without hefty travel insurance.
So, when the Clinton administration came to power with a mandate to reform healthcare we all thought, "Great! The US is finally going to get its health system back in order." We all stood by in amazement then while spurious arguments about socialization and nationalism weren't countered by rational debate and hard figures available from any other western country. It looked like the administration wanted this initiative to fail.
If Moore spends a lot of time talking about foreign healthcare models it is simply to counter the boiling frog syndrome. ie: How do you know it's hot if you don't know what cold is? Moore would be the last person to nominate himself for sainthood. If he has over dramatized sequences in his films it shows a lack of confidence in his own ability to persuade - not a desire to deceive the public.
Sure, nobody should be claiming they have the perfect health system. What you do see from Moore's foreign examples, however, is a very different balance of power between patients and their healthcare system. Here in Australia we have a mix of both public and private healthcare and health insurance. Of course the insurance companies see the US as their Nirvana and lobby the government to move in that direction while patient lobby groups push heavily for the British model. As long as both groups have equal power the scandals each uncovers in their rival's operations server to simply keep everybody honest rather than bring down the system.
This is the heart of the matter when you put aside the figures and the politics and the social theory: who has the power? Any system, whether it's socialized, privatized or just public will work if all the parties involved have enough power to keep the others holding to the bargain. After all, that's why the American system worked so well for so long.
posted by tomfrog (June 28, 2007 3:06 PM)
Hi everyone !
I just saw Sicko and wanted to respond to this message :
"Folks, I don't know how to tell you this, but Moore has zero, and I mean ZERO credibility. He was caught in lie after lie, manipulated families in Columbine for his purposes, and was sued by people he lied about."
and this one too :
"Here, some of stuff taking place in France was obviously staged, such as the government woman doing the laundry for the family. Even if it is true, it loses its effect in the film because you know that Moore and his crew were there telling people what to do before they started filming."
Well, I can only write about the part I know : the one in France : of course, all of the services that are described are true : yes, when you just had a baby, you can have someone to come to your house and help you with the laundry, the baby or whatever (well, not 'whatever' but you know...).
There are some little things not entirely true : you only get 3 days after your wedding in addition of your 5 weeks of paid vacation. And you don't actually get 5 weeks if you've got a part-time job : it depends on how much time you have worked in the past year. 5 weeks of paid vacation is for a 35h/week ; you get more if you work more, less if you work less.
For the rest of it I didn't notice any significant mistake (about the system in France I mean).
And yes we have a lot of taxes but I have to say, when I see what health cost... OMG, I'm glad to pay some taxes (In fact I don't pay so much taxes since I don't earn a lot).
Voilà, just my 2 cents ;)
best for you all ! (and sorry, I don't write in english very well...)
posted by Bey (June 29, 2007 3:20 PM)
Here's a story:
I have a 28 year old son who can't afford to live on his own due to health care costs. If you think it's difficult getting physical care with substandard or no health insurance, just get involved in the mental health care arena.
He was diagnosed in his early 20's with a schizophrenic-like disorder and requires anti-psychotic meds to keep him moderately functional. Those meds alone cost him $300 a month. Fortunately, the state we live offers a program for 'uninsurables' for which he only pays $250 with a $2000 deductible.
Last year's reaction to his meds landed him in the ICU and he will continue to pay off his share of the costs for that through 2010. No dental coverage - that's out of pocket; no vision coverage - that's out of pocket. Don't even think about therapy which he needs in conjuction with his meds as well as his every-other-monthly visit to his psychiatrist for med management ($75 co-pay).
And he's one of the lucky ones.