Who cares about 9/11??

The biggest problem facing our survival is ignorance and apathy!
True! But what I do not now I don't have to care about!

"Painter" wrote:

I mean, yeah, there are a few people who care but most people just don't
give a sh*t about 9/11 or who did it how or why. They don't give a f*ck if
it was an "inside job." They shrug their shoulders and say, what
difference does it make? Seriously. They really don't care. They may get
testy for disturbing their otherwise self absorbed life and, even if they
don't, a lot of people will just say, 'well, even if you're right, so
what? What are you going to do about it?'

I think this scares me even more than the prospect of another, only
bigger, '9/11 like' event. I mean, take New Orleans for example. We lost a
whole damned city. It was horrible and everyone got all upset about it and
then when it wasn't on the news any more -- what happened? Of course
things still do go on but let me ask you this -- was anyone held
accountable?

Right. Just like 9/11 itself: Not one person in a position of authority
has had to pay the price of genuine accountability for what happened on
that day.

Yeah, people get all upset about things like 9/11 and New Orleans -- and
no doubt a lot of people will be upset about what ever they're cooking up
next. But it looks to me like the reality is that the American people have
become so pathetic that most of them just don't really give a sh*t what
happens to anyone else -- so long as it isn't them. I half way suspect the
Nazis that are in control of our country have finally figured out that
they really don't need much of an excuse to blow the crap out of any
nation they want. Much of America is 'ok with that'. They may not like it
exactly, but they go along with it. They just mind their own business.
Most everyone has this charade going, of course, where they may give
lip-service to some moral principal or other -- but it is just talk.

The reality is, we live in a criminal culture. Of course it isn't all
"bad," there are many wonderful things about it. Still, when you scratch
the surface a little you discover that "law and order," is at best
"relative" and, more precisely, a matter of who can get away with what.
Apparently, some people can get away with mass murder in broad day light.
No problem!

Even if everything we are told by our government about 9/11 were true (and
hardly a single thing about it is), we would still have on our hands a
criminal enterprise of global proportions. I'm sure I don't need to recite
a list of the crimes that have been and are being committed by people in
our own government. It isn't even particularly well hidden. Its just that
nothing comes of it. Anyone who wants to know it knows it but most people
just don't even give a sh*t.

But that's just it. Most people simply don't want to know. So long as they
are reaping the benefits of global empire, what should they care what our
government does to procure it? Our entire identities are caught up inside
a consumerist paradigm. Most of us can't even imagine anything else.

I stopped watching TV years ago but how does one escape the fact that the
entire infrastructure upon which we depend for our daily bread (and oh so
much more!) is tied into a global consumerist system? The Computer I'm
composing this on and will post this with is a product of a major
cooperation. The DSL access that I have to communicate with you and others
out there is supplied by a major corporation. The same is true for the
electricity -- my clothing -- even to a large extent the food I eat. Good
grief, don't even mention the vehicle I drive to work or the fuel I put in
it -- or even the job I work, itself. Although it is a small, family
owned, establishment, it, too is dependent upon corporations for products
it produces and sells.

All of this demands incredible amounts of energy. Energy, money, power.
Most people, it seems to me, value things and images far more than they do
any genuine principals. Again, we may hear about them but when it really
comes down to it, it seems to me most people just don't want the
responsibility of self-rule. They are quite willing to be ruled by
necromancers who drink blood from the sculls of their victims -- and they
are and have been for untold thousands of years -- so long as they don't
have to hear about it or think about it very often or for very long.

When confronted with some relatively minor frustration my old man used to
say, "If it ain't one god damned thing, its another!" Me? I think he was a
master of understatement.

Posted: Oct 10 2007, 03:46 AM by PAINTER
http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showuser=16

Our future isn't going to be any more like the present than our present is
like the past. We are sitting on a powder keg -- and we have been all my
life. I never thought we'd make it this far but we have.

The writing is on the wall. People do not want self rule. They want to
live their little lives and leave all the rest of it to some one else.
Hardly any questions asked and even then its okay if fake answers are
given anyway. In fact, fake answers are preferable. It's all about
maintaining the illusion that everything is under control (more or less),
that everything is going to be 'ok' so long as you don't bother yourself
with the big questions and the big decisions.

In the larger historical perspective, civilizations come and go
periodically. I remember reading a long time ago something that struck me
about the fall of Rome. I'm not sure whether it is true or not but the
point that was made was that Rome didn't just 'collapse' in a few years --
it took a while. And the primary cause wasn't the hordes of invaders, per
cet, but that over time the people who ran the system that made Rome
"Rome," just stopped doing their jobs.

What I see when I look at the world around me today isn't anything half so
romantic.

Guinan -- Posted: Oct 12 2007, 08:49 AM:

Even those of us who can see consumerism and corporate economy for what it
is, cannot free themselves of it entirely. 'They' have us by the short 'n
curly folks. It was and is a brilliant scheme, which most of humanity
hasn't seen through yet, and who could blame them? Can you blame an
addict, who cannot survive without his daily shot for being indifferent to
the fact that his 'stuff' is illegal and more importantly, leathal????

We're all addicts, whether we are concious of it or not!

Perhaps the answer is to aproach sheeple the way one would try to wean an
addict from his dope of choice, not cold-turkey, but bit by chewable bit -
the whole truth is too much to digest for those who live for the illusion
of the 'american dream'. It's like living in a fantasy-world of plenty and
people telling you that if you take off those rosy-coloured sunglasses you
will see reality, a bleak, bare and uninhabitable desert. Can't really
blame them for being reluctant to take off those glasses, can we?

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The average american knows:

The biggest problem facing our survival is ignorance and apathy!

Her/his reaction:

True! But what I do not now I don't have to care about!

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But seriouly... WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT?

First you have to find the roots of the current malaise.
The apathy is carefully conditioned. I recommend to listen to an old TUC
radio programme
http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=4041

Alex Carey: CORPORATIONS AND PROPAGANDA

The Attack on Democracy

Alex Carey said that the people of the US have been subjected to an
unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to
expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the
unions. The 20th century, he wrote, is marked by three historic
developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise,
the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect
corporations from democracy. Carey's unique view of US history goes back
to World War I and ends with the Reagan era.

Noam Chomsky dedicated his book "Manufacturing Consent" to the memory of
Alex Carey. Chomsky says that the Australian sociologist would have
written the definitive history of propaganda in the US, had he lived to
complete his work. This is a fairly complex production with many voices,
historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by
writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the
Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty

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Noam Chomsky:

American society is now remarkably atomized. Political organizations have
collapsed. In fact, it seems like even bowling leagues are collapsing. The
left has a lot to answer for here. There's been a drift toward very
fragmenting tendencies among left groups, toward this sort of identity
politics.

"The ideal is to create a completely fragmented atomized society where
everybody is totally alone, doing nothing but trying to pursue created
wants, and the wants are created."
- Noam Chomsky